[anti-abuse-wg] Use of RIPE region space by out-of-region users, was RIPE policy

In message <30BAC6E1-AE5C-4BEC-9CA7-8D44B9124647 at blacknight.ie>, 
"Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.ie> wrote:

>On 9 Mar 2011, at 14:46, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
>>> We are a hosting company.
>>
>> Are you under the impression that this fact gives you some sort of special
>> dispensation to send me spam?
>
>I'm sorry, but I honestly don't know how you have the gall to make that kind
>of throwaway remark.

Sorry.  It was in response to your throw-away remark "We are a hosting company",
as if that had some relevance to, or bearing on the fact that I received spam
from your domain.

(In the context where it appeared, your comment certainly seemed to have been
offered as some sort of excuse or justification for the spam.)

>> (Some other hosting companies who care about their reputations and about
>> not polluting the Internet have arranged for all outbound port 25 connects
>> from end-luser frequently-compromosed machines to be either blocked or else
>> transparently redirected to a machine, or set of machines, where outbound
>> filtering takes place... you know... in order to fully suppress the inevi
>> table
>> and easily forseeable Nigerian 419 spam outflow from the inevitable and
>>>easily
>> forseeable compromised end-luser machine.)
>
>Read our terms of service. http://www.blacknight.com/acceptable-usage.html

OK.  I skimmed it.

That tells me what _legal_ steps you have taken, contract-wise, to try to
minimize spam outflow.  What I had intended to ask (which I admit may not
have been perfectly clear) is "What steps you have taken _technically_
to minimize your spam outflow?"

Of course, your network, your rules.  You can do (or not do) whatever you
want on YOUR network.  Conversely and likewise, I can do what I want on
my network, and on my network the domain name blacknight.ie is in the
local blacklist.  And as I have explained, it did not get there by sheer
random chance.

So I think this horse is dead now, and we can both stop beating it.  Your
network, your rules.  My network my rules.  Nothing more to say really, now
is there?


Regards,
rfg