[anti-abuse-wg] Re: how to punish a spammer

andre at ox.co.za wrote:
> Frank Gadegast said on Monday 09 August 2010 :
>> Thor Kottelin wrote:
>>  >> removing networks from RIPEs databased
>>  >> will also remove all reverse mapping and nameserver entries, right
>>  >> ?
>>  >>
>>  >> No mailserver, that is configured to fight only a bit against spam
>>  >> accepts mail from IPs without a working reverse mapping.
>>  >>
>>  >> So, if RIPE ever wants to punish network abusers, thats an easy way
>>  >> of
>>  >> doing it ...
>>  >
>>  > I agree that this may be a somewhat effective approach.
>>  >
>>
>> All this is technically easy, the only thing missing is a discussion,
>> who decides, what objects need to be remove and why.
>>
> 
> This is the best idea that I have heard in a long  time and there
> could be proper structures in place (similiar to spamcop) to
> prevent abuse

Even if I really want that, its nearly impossible.

There are always some members, thats are not willing to restrict
regulations, that are happy like it is.

This can have a lot of reasons:
- because their culture or country regulations do not allow that
- because they want a free internet, even with free abuse
- they make money with abuse (maybe even only with flooding others
   with mail offers or make money by selling upstream, hosting and
   services. I was talking to a spam solution provider lately, the
   most he fears, is that the RIRs are finally doing something ! you
   see: he is not eval himself, in fact his company is doing something
   really good, but he still makes money from spam)
- or because they simply do not want to take care about their
   resources, because its work and therefor costs money

We are talking about a definition of abuse for a couple of years now,
without any result, because those members always find
"a hair in the soup" (a saying in Germany).

And you cannot change RIPEs regulations without a definition and he
will to do something from the community.
And RIPE NCC will never do anything thats not defined in the
regulations.

THATS the problem.

Maybe we should make a rehersal, vote or proposal to answer a simply
question:
"should RIPE create regulations to remove resources because of abuse ?"

> Andre

Kind regards, Frank
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