Chat Logs
Antony Gollan - 19-05-2021 18:06:04
Hi everyone, I'm Antony from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker and want it read out, please write it in the Q&A window also stating your affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
Kurt Erik Lindqvist - 19-05-2021 18:06:10
Oi! CK, I am here you know!
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 18:06:22
Christian: NO VIDEO!
Wessel Sandkuijl - 19-05-2021 18:08:21
2 working days after GM != May 26
Ulka Athale - 19-05-2021 18:08:34
Monday is a public holiday
Wessel Sandkuijl - 19-05-2021 18:08:46
Ah, again?
Florian Streibelt - 19-05-2021 18:08:52
yep
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:09:09
awh, I lost an i in my name
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:09:45
That's probably my bad, Cynthia. Apologies!
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:09:59
no worries, I think it is obvious enough :)
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:11:12
I see how it happened too :) https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/eb-elections/executive-board-elections-code-of-conduct-team
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:11:16
Will fix that.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:12:14
:)
Terrence Koeman - 19-05-2021 18:20:41
Hi, how many people should I have video of?
Florian Streibelt - 19-05-2021 18:20:54
5
Herve Clement - 19-05-2021 18:21:08
Welcome !
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:22:27
My chat doesn't always scroll down automatically...
Herve Clement - 19-05-2021 18:22:29
Thanks for your trust
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:22:44
Yay Hervé!
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 18:23:21
:clap: Herve
Herve Clement - 19-05-2021 18:24:23
Thanks Brian ;)
Antony Gollan - 19-05-2021 18:25:09
@Paul - if you click the arrow in the top-right (detach chat), that might help.
Herve Clement - 19-05-2021 18:25:12
& Piotr
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 18:25:24
Hervé :clap: :clap:
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:25:34
I did :) Completely different order.
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:25:37
@Antony, negative. It just stops scrolling from time to time.
Herve Clement - 19-05-2021 18:25:44
& all ;)
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 18:26:02
:muscle:hervé
Janos Zsako - 19-05-2021 18:26:06
Very well done, Hervé! Thanks.
Antony Gollan - 19-05-2021 18:26:45
@Paul Okay, I'll let the meeting team know - they're keeping track of these things.
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:27:32
This was the Open House CK is talking about: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/meet-the-executive-board-candidates
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:28:00
Appprox 250 viewed the page with the recording since then.
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 18:29:19
I am getting really old... seeing the second CFO leave, and also the second general manager...
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 18:29:40
Thanks Gwen for your hard work!
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 18:29:45
Gwen was here for what ... 4 years ?
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 18:29:48
Sorry to see you leave, Gwen.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:29:54
thanks gwen :)
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 18:29:56
thanks for your work Gwen
Erik Bais - 19-05-2021 18:29:56
Thanks Gwen .. Good luck on your next role
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:30:01
Thank you, Gwen!
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 18:30:04
Thanks Gwen!
Gwen van Berne - 19-05-2021 18:30:05
thank you everyone!
Kurt Erik Lindqvist - 19-05-2021 18:30:06
Thank you for the good Work Gwen and all the best for the future!
Oliver Stockman - 19-05-2021 18:30:10
Thanks Gwen!
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 18:30:15
Thanks Gwen
Janos Zsako - 19-05-2021 18:30:16
Thank you Gwen!
Herve Clement - 19-05-2021 18:30:37
Thanks Gwen !
Wessel Sandkuijl - 19-05-2021 18:30:48
Bedankt Gwen!
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 18:31:03
Thanks Gwen!
Christian Adler - 19-05-2021 18:31:17
Thanks Gwen
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:34:23
I agree with Brian
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 18:35:31
I agree with Brian, too
Anders Mundt Due - 19-05-2021 18:36:03
Definitely agree with Brian, but it's very much not easily solved, it's important to make sure it stays moderation and not suddenly censorship
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:36:30
Yes and there should be a possibility to check what's and who are being moderated.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:36:52
there was the unmoderated archive I believe, I am not sure if it is still in use
Athina Fragkouli - 19-05-2021 18:37:15
@Cynthia it is
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 18:37:21
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 18:37:43
Lots of spam...
Anders Mundt Due - 19-05-2021 18:38:26
looking at the budget, perhaps it's time to invest in ripe-coin :)
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:38:47
Bigger, more complicated, communities manage this, but nothing is perfect. I think that it is a case of making decisions and spending some money on it.
Job Snijders - 19-05-2021 18:38:47
absolutely not
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 18:38:48
I thought ripe-coin was IPv4 addresses.
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:39:04
:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Wolfgang Tremmel - 19-05-2021 18:39:17
can you mine for more IPv4 addresses?
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 18:39:32
RIPE-Coin with proof of IP space and connectivity? :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 18:39:53
Feel free to send suggestions to me or my colleagues on what kind of moderation you would like to see on members discussions.
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:40:04
@Wolfgang, yes but the supply was limited. :)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:40:38
@Hans Petter Holen, I don't have any, but I might suggest you post an email address to contact if anyone has suggestions
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:41:05
@Hans Peter, it is more to do with speed of decisions further to what happens on the mailing list.
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:41:17
*Petter (sorry, auto-correct)
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:41:57
Well, it's active moderation and then a process which allows for interim decisions given the volunteer board. The CoC might even help with this. :) But it should *not* be up to the CoC team to moderate the list.
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 18:42:05
@Cynthia: [email protected]
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:42:15
But they may well have a role in longer term decisions.
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 18:42:28
+1 to Denesh and Brian
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:42:45
RIPE NCC does have faster internal comms via Mattermost.
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:43:20
Moderating people instead of the entire mailing list is probably the best compromise
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:44:54
@Brian - maybe the CoC team can become an escalation for bigger issues on an ML?
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:45:40
@Brian, may I ask which CoC team you are referring to?
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:46:05
@Cynthia there was a discussion yesterday about a longer term CoC team to replace the trusted contact setup
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:46:24
to make it something that lasts constantly
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:46:27
ah, sorry, I missed that
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:46:37
@Cynthia The one that the CoC task force was set up for.
Terrence Koeman - 19-05-2021 18:46:47
Maybe they can allow members to vote, and immediately put the list in moderated mode when x number of members vote to do so. It can then remain in moderated mode until someone can respond.
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:46:57
@Cynthia: https://labs.ripe.net/author/leo_vegoda/code-of-conduct-task-force-spring-2021-update/
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:47:59
Denesh, thanks for the link
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:48:00
@Terrence, I do like the idea of an emergency kill switch
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:48:14
Pleasure, Cynthia
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 18:48:31
If it put's the whole list in moderation that might be worth a try
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:48:46
@Terrence we can have that to vote to moderator someone too.
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:49:00
Not the whole list.
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:50:44
I do fear we'd need a decent margin to make that work, otherwise it would be abused
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:51:10
I think it might be difficult for it to be effective and not at risk of abuse
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:51:31
I'm imagining it going down like a vote kick in a video game!
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:51:46
I think it's manageable if there's transparency.
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 18:51:58
So, no stealth censorship.
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:52:04
Yeah, a vote would be inherently dangerous/risky.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:52:08
I mean that I am not sure how many people would act quickly
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:52:38
And part of the role of the CoC-TF is to figure out how the future team, at the beginning at least, will interact with mailing lists.
Sascha Lenz - 19-05-2021 18:52:58
. o O(RIPE certified banhammer ?)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:53:03
and I honestly trust the NCC staff and the EB more than random people (if there is transparency)
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:53:30
@Cynthia, this is why the CoC team will have training
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 18:53:59
To be clear, the CoC Team that CK posted at the start of the meeting just exists for EB candidates. It is based on the RIPE CoC. The process at the moment has an EB member and a RIPE NCC staff member make decisions on moderation. And as HP says above, feedback on all this is very welcome as it's a complicated topic so input really does help here.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:54:35
I think there are discussions of both the EB Elections CoC Team and the future community CoC team here
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:54:56
@Cynthia .. you may have missed the BoF yesterday.. you may catch up at: https://ripe82.ripe.net/archives/video/561/
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:55:06
@coc-tf BoF
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 18:55:13
i find it interesting that this topic draws so much discussion/interest
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 18:55:30
I think it is so important that this is done right
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 18:55:57
Ok, then I'm wondering why getting know how on databases is a problem (re cloud migration)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 18:56:38
Denesh, yes I did, will watch it later, thanks :)
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 18:56:53
👍🏽
Antony Gollan - 19-05-2021 18:57:45
@Maximilian - submit another via the Q&A if you'd like me to ask that :)
Knud Nissen - 19-05-2021 18:59:41
No sound
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 18:59:46
@Randy It's all about building community, innit? :)
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 18:59:52
someone is cutting their lawn
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:00:24
:D
Christian Kaufmann - 19-05-2021 19:00:28
sounded like a transformer message
Jan Zorz - 19-05-2021 19:00:47
:)
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:00:50
m still all to the sight of me eating pizza :)
Christian Kaufmann - 19-05-2021 19:01:25
thats a good idea before you get kicked out:-)
Constanze Buerger - 19-05-2021 19:02:04
:-) I really miss you all
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:02:29
I am looking forward to cashing in my free dinner I won at RIPE80 whenever there is a in person meeting again
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:03:46
is it just my MeetEcho, or is Hans's message stuck at the bottom for anyone else, and new messages appearing on top?
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:04:06
Here it's going further
Marco d'Itri - 19-05-2021 19:04:07
@harry: I have seen it for another user in another session, so it looks like a bug
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:04:22
my meetecho does that sort of thing on occasion as well
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:04:38
break the chat out into a separate window works
Wolfgang Zenker - 19-05-2021 19:04:51
@constanze I have hopes for Berlin next year
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:05:57
"per resource record"? can't deny his heritage ;-)
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:06:20
*hope too*. I never went to Berlin
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:07:19
+1 !
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:07:19
Can we go to a nice place instead? We've been to Berlin twice already...
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:07:36
Milan ? :)
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:07:46
yes!
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:07:53
bologna again!
Markus Zeilinger - 19-05-2021 19:07:56
Autumn 2020 would have been in Milan!
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:07:56
I'm pretty sure the NCC would love to hear from potential hosts with suitable venues. :)
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:07:57
Rhodes was good.
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:07:57
Err, we, Frenchies, agreed to go to Marseille
Sascha Lenz - 19-05-2021 19:08:05
:surfer:
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:08:11
@Brian I can offer uhm... my shed?
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 19:08:12
Italy is always a good idea :)
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:08:14
Rhodes FTW
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:08:18
Rhodes was cool, but the hotel sucked
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:08:18
Gert +`
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:08:20
you could be nice and accept a meeting in Berlin, I think that's acceptable
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:08:23
I didn't ask for Marseille... but it was the only RIPE Meeting where I went to by car :)
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:08:29
Gert> The ppol had a bar!
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:08:32
pool, even.
Denesh Bhabuta - 19-05-2021 19:08:52
The Poolside Working Group was born at the Rhodes meeting
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:08:54
ooh yes, RIPE conference on floating sunloungers in a pool :)
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:08:55
better yet, the bar had a pool
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:09:06
marseille was also very nice
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:09:18
Other than the riot, like... :)
Constanze Buerger - 19-05-2021 19:09:23
not Berlin please
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:09:29
hey constanze :-)
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:09:32
the site and weather were nice, yeah
Jan Zorz - 19-05-2021 19:09:42
if we need to follow the covid measures and hold a meeting outside - then a hotel with a large rooftop pool and bar would be handy :D
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:09:54
nice idea
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:10:43
good point erik
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:10:47
Ahah yeah. And meetings in june and september ? :-D
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:10:52
+1 Erik
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:11:23
... and choose a location with nice weather in may. probably even in november
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:11:23
I see some contradiction between desire to meet in person and not accepting places offered. It looks some people are not yet tired enough with these virtual meetings to accept literally any place. ;-)
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:11:25
+1 Erik
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:11:32
but, as a member, as this was not discussed openly, we only have the nuclear option
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:11:48
Randy +1
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:11:52
Well you can vote no to keep the current schema
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:11:55
Randy, you mean Japan?
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:12:03
I had an interesting thought, allow new LIRs at 100euro for organisations that have never ever ever in any form of link interacted with RIPE before - but organisations coming in for more than one bite of the RIPE cherry pay 1400?
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:12:15
"Max" that's what Randy means by "nuclear option"
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:12:35
Blake: I don't see the "nuclear" part in there
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:12:42
it's all-or-nothing
Andreas Wittkemper - 19-05-2021 19:12:46
But not so nuclear in reality for this one
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:12:46
Therefore newer organisations would be able to get in
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:12:52
only if those cheap members have 1/10th of the vote
Elias Aggelidis - 19-05-2021 19:12:53
Low entry fee will not help the community.
the current market price will go up
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:13:08
if the GM does not approve the charging scheme then it kicks off a whole process...
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 19:13:21
@Harry it's not feasible to check that.
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:13:24
more LIRs means more ARC and all others support staff
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:13:28
Doesn't a "no" mean, keep the current schema and carry on?
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 19:13:40
If the 2022 scheme is not approved, the 2021 scheme will stay in effect for 2022.
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:13:40
I'm unsure that it's a good idea either.
Andreas Wittkemper - 19-05-2021 19:13:41
yes
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:13:53
so, there should be a projection I asked for?
Christian Kaufmann - 19-05-2021 19:13:55
@Max yes
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:13:56
By definition of "new members", are you referring to people coming in for a second/third LIR or brand new organisations?
Sascha Lenz - 19-05-2021 19:13:57
well more LIRs doesn't mean more real members, a good part will be scalpers oc ...
Ruediger Volk - 19-05-2021 19:14:01
one might want to allow a cheap entry for new v6-only LIRs
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:14:08
in the Address policy WG, we saw we have some problems with maintainability of the DB
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:14:11
whether it's the LIR setup fee or reimboursing the surplus to members, I am strongly in favor of the RIPE NCC retaining as much cash as possible for the future
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:14:12
a 'no' means we keep the current scheme, until another one is approved
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 19:14:15
Every step to lower the barrier becoming a LIR and be due to this more engaged is good for the society of the Internet!
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 19:14:16
Maybe the fee can be reduced provided that there is an additional required payment for the IPv4 /24.
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:14:28
@Tahar, that's exactly what I am trying to get at
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:14:29
having 'low cost' members could lead to more mess in the DB
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:14:36
+1 Julien
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:14:39
even if that means investing it in convertible assets with a more favorable taxation scheme than cash
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:14:40
+1 Erik - i would suggest that in the future to open the charging model to the membership and not take the decision in the board - as either a take it or leave it option
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:14:46
and more "IPv4 speculation" on /24.
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:14:53
yeah, too
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:15:06
in a few months, all new members could be v6 only
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:15:30
@randy : I was about to post this remark on a local mailling list
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:15:33
these new members would be getting less, therefore paying less.. unless we decouple "resources" from "membership" like AFRINIC do
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:15:36
@Tahar I'm not buying that argument. We have significant more LIRs today than ever vote or contribute in any other way.
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:16:03
I would guess that the existing 12K LIRs make a stable base vs 1-2K new LIRs in 2021 that r just here to buy up /24s
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:16:17
@Peter: yes we have projections for the next 3-5 years. The simple answer is that we see an infow of around 100 new LIRs pr month. This is however smaller than the number of closed LIRs so we had a net reduction in LIRs last year.
Elias Aggelidis - 19-05-2021 19:16:19
@hank +1
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 19:16:20
this discussion prooves, RIPE should develop more strategic / political goals
Job Snijders - 19-05-2021 19:16:38
I found the Σ model very confusing when I was younger :)
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:17:05
]job : I should be young still, thanks
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 19:17:08
where do we want to go from a society point of view - inclusion / exclusion
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:17:09
If RIPE are not doing everything they can to attract new members, then something is wrong in my opinion
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:17:24
and new members = brand new organisations, not people coming in for round 2
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:17:44
If the signup fee were to be reduced then I would support extending the waiting period before v4 resource transfer is allowed
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:17:47
keep in mind that a subsidiary of an existing member is a new member
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:17:49
@harry : I think it's more a question of the 'quality' of the members
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:17:58
Harry, exactly who r these new LIRs in 2021?
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:18:19
do we want members that are not part of the community ? (aka IP-only members)
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:18:22
@HPH thanks, that's good info (although i understand the decline was less than expected/budgeted) "lowering barrier to entry" sounds nice - and could eventually pay out over time, but I think thought thru projections could be better than good intentions
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:18:23
what are the benefits of membership? resources and being able to attend this meeting.
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:18:39
To Tahar's point - consider also that Independent Resource holders have to pay the LIR joining fees as well, should they want to self-manage their resources. It might be that we should have a reduction only for existing resource holders?
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:18:45
Blake: nice idea but that would mean a policy change on AP-WG and that will be nuclear, to use that term again
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:18:45
@Hank, I'm referring to organisations that have never been part of the organisation before (not just a separate subsidiary)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:18:56
that is difficult
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:18:57
*never been part of RIPE before
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:18:57
@Hank: today LIRs getting a /24 from the RIPE NCC. In the future, members needing IPv6 or buying addresses on the market.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:19:09
@harry,that would be a nightmare to manage
Erik Bais - 19-05-2021 19:19:15
The problem with the new proposed lower startup fee is that the NCC isn't getting new members, but 1200 new LIR;s that will be merged into old LIR's in 2 years.. without adding to the membership fees for the long run ..
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:19:38
Erik: Exactly
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:19:48
Fresh members would not only contribute the setup fee, but RIPE would also see more yearly revenues
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:19:48
Erik +1
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:20:07
@erik: when i brought that up monday, i got pushed back heavily
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:20:12
But they only see that for 2 years. Then the resources are moved and the LIR closed.
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:20:12
@harry : most of them for 2 years only
Christian Adler - 19-05-2021 19:20:14
Erik+1
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:20:31
Erik, that is not entirely true, I am ofc not sure what the exact percentages are but there are new members
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:20:34
at usual, @erik is asking the good questions, thanks for that
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:20:40
@Erik : there are also real new members, kind of those that woke up a little too late for being independent (or being really new)
Markus Zeilinger - 19-05-2021 19:20:47
Maybe having some kind of time frame, where resources go back to the NCC when closing/merging LIRs?
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:21:02
@hans - and if they didn;'t get a /24 which is worth abt 7400 Euro, how many new LIRs would RIPE be signing up?
Erik Bais - 19-05-2021 19:21:22
@Radu : I rather have new members that pay a bit more . that a new member with a lower startup fee that can't get any resources ...
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 19:21:25
@cynthia : same discussion as "we do not want silly users in the Internet at all" Is this our political model?
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:21:33
Existing members needing more IP no longer have such a big incentive of opening new accounts
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:21:44
Lowering the entry fee is also important due to EU competition law obligations.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:21:48
@tahar, I don't get your point?
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:21:59
... and that's exactly why set-up fees should stay at current level, at least for the moment
Robert Scheck - 19-05-2021 19:22:08
@Hans Petter: Whom is competing RIPE with?
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:22:09
@Hans Petter: Can you elaborate on that?
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:22:12
@Hans, who's competing with RIPE? :)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:22:16
also I think it is too early to say that members only stick around for 2 years, because it was less than 2 years since we still handed out /22s
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 19:22:16
@Hans: yes
Alex Le Heux - 19-05-2021 19:22:32
@tom: no one, that's the problem :)
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:22:33
@robert: with ARIN, of course. They have more lawyers and higher fees, and more board members!
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:22:33
This is why I'm a fan of the AFRINIC scheme: https://afrinic.net/membership/cost?lang=en#resource where charging is based directly on the number of resources the user has
Robert Scheck - 19-05-2021 19:22:55
@Gert: And that's why it's suggested to lower RIPE fees?
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:23:07
@Alex good luck in starting a new RIR in the same region. :p
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:23:16
I must have misunderstood something there...
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:23:18
Cost is the least of the problem
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:23:19
@Harry, that's the kind of scheme RIPE *used* to have.
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:23:21
I would support an administrative fee for inter-RIR transfers
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:23:44
Blake - +1
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:23:48
@Tom, the thing is that if you have a monopoly, you have to have reasonable fees, otherwise you get governments after you
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:23:51
Blake +1
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:24:10
@Cynthia - suuure... But who's complaining?
Robert Scheck - 19-05-2021 19:24:13
@Cynthia: But RIPE IMHO is already the most liberal and cheap RIR?
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:24:30
but you can't really compare to other RIRs as they are not really competitors
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:24:32
the best monopolist :)
Robert Scheck - 19-05-2021 19:24:34
@Cynthia: Which other RIR accepts non-region LIRs?
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:24:34
they are in different regions
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:24:37
It's not "bad value" right now, and it isn't leveraging cost over individuals in any discernible fashion
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:24:45
@Cynthia: we are allready seeing LIRs closing after two years. That's the main reason for the reduction in #LIRs in 2020 (and will be in 2021) In approximate numbers, we will reduce the with 2-3000 LIRs in 2021 and 2022 towards 19-20 000
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:25:01
in general, the way the world is going, its important to align atomic business costs (AP) with atomic service fees (AR)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:25:12
@Hans, I mean for LIRs being created after the /22s were gone
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:25:16
@Hans : can we imagine a stability around 19k/20k LIRs ?
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:25:37
I mean, in mid-term future ?
Andreas Wittkemper - 19-05-2021 19:25:44
it will go lower. A lot of Lirs were only created for the IP space
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:25:47
Yes.
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:25:58
@hph: exactly. this was clearly forseen at last f2f meeting, rotteram
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:26:31
so, "competion law' - there's an expert opinion and risk assessment available? Don't get this wrong, but I'm uncomfortable with the moving target arguments and the choices presented. The considerations are important, but the reasons could have been shared with the membership earlier on.
Wolfgang Zenker - 19-05-2021 19:26:32
I don't see that lowering the sign-up fee would make much of a difference regarding "additional LIR for existing member" setups: They already make a huge enough financial gain with the current fee, 1000 € more is not so much of a difference
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:26:37
ok, if we can count on such a base, lowering the fees will only create a different balance between brokers and LIR creation. Did I miss something ?
Job Snijders - 19-05-2021 19:27:12
"First ASN for free" - sounds reasonable
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 19:27:21
if we do lower the startup fees now and have many LIRs merging or closing in 2+ years, do we just hike up the annual LIR fees?
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:27:23
The RIR function can be seen as a monopoly. Having a high entrance fee is a concern.
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:27:27
should we think about the balance between the IP cost on the market vs membership cost ?
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:27:46
we shouldn't, but we still do
Dennis Koerner - 19-05-2021 19:27:55
Hilco is selling 5 digit ASN for around 2500 USD. Freaky
Markus Zeilinger - 19-05-2021 19:28:05
ICANN had a very high fee just for applying for new TLDs (I think around $ 180k?). Why is this working there, and here we are discussing about lowering reg fees for new LIRs? More money in the domain business than in the network business?
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:28:05
I want a 3 digit ASN
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 19:28:15
No way, it's going to be bought by a super big company.
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:28:30
as a birthday present? :-)
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:28:38
Gert: You have no ambition. I want a 1 digit ASN.
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:28:43
just AS1.
Randy Bush - 19-05-2021 19:28:56
use a microtik an dtry to prepend :)
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:28:58
I mean, even I don't have a 3 digit ASN! Even with 193.1/16 :)
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:29:06
is AS1 in use anymore ?
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:29:21
Ahahaha Randy ! I have one sitting in my (autonomous) closet
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:29:31
Brian: wow, that /16 is really early registration... :-)
Serbulov Dmitry - 19-05-2021 19:29:58
All we need to understand is that IPv4 has become something like Bitcoin. As long as we pretend that this resource is free, we will go against "nature". We have 4 billion addresses under management, if even 1 cent is paid for each, it is already $ 400 million, 10 times more than the RIPE NCC budget.
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:30:20
Radu: L(3) owns it, and I see a few prefix originated by "1"
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:30:22
brian, I have 3 digit ASN :-)
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:30:22
@Gert, yup, I've always imagined our since retired CTO standing outside the old NCC offices at 09:00 the day they started to allocate from 193/8
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:30:44
I got my /24 from Rudiger, but that's out of 193.31.x
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:30:52
I think, in contrary, that we should fight against the comparison between IPv4 and bitcoin
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 19:31:17
To Harry's forum question, yes we are considering that strongly.
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:31:24
Julien +1
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:31:30
(I'm referring to the EB TF mailing list, where important discussions effecting elections were locked away)
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:31:35
Well, I mean, you can interact with the mailing lists via a forum...
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:31:51
But aren't forums *so* 00s? :)
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:32:10
let's do a ripe ncc membership discord
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:32:17
please not
Jori Vanneste - 19-05-2021 19:32:18
that will turn into hell
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:32:18
staying with the times
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:32:21
@Hank: my Services wg presentation says we have 1533 /24 right now. Which is roughly our forecast for members in one year. I don't have the stats for new space being added to the pool.
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:32:24
Insta group chat.
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:32:43
@Remko, I'll start the WhatsApp group :D
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:32:49
discord's already for boomers right ?
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 19:33:08
Brian: because we're just talking about vanity resources (single digit ASNs etc).
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:33:21
I qualify as 'old' at this point so I wouldn't know - maybe a roblox game chat?
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:33:35
let's change the discussion channel every year in favor of the-last-social-option-of-the-moment
Sascha Lenz - 19-05-2021 19:33:36
the answer is always IRC oc!
Serbulov Dmitry - 19-05-2021 19:33:39
Getting free IPv4 addresses is getting harder and harder every day, and their price is rising. But with the transition to IPv6, the problem will be solved. The task of the community is to make sure that everyone has equal access to resources and to accelerate the transition to IPv6. Introducing an annual address fee is the best way to do this.
Silvan Gebhardt - 19-05-2021 19:33:56
@Julien Xkcd 1810
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:33:57
@Gert: I do recall some prefixes originated in AS1, but they were not Level-Link-Lumen related. and definitely before RPKI took off, so most likely bogon
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:34:17
@silvan : lemme check
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:34:27
The MLs are like multicast packets, some people get emails that they don't want and start ignoring them
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:35:16
@silvan : ok. A lot of things I even didn't imagine for communications
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:36:05
we see you christian ;-)
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:36:49
On fees for AS numbers, we can provide an impact analysis on that in. afuture discussion. 26% of the members have 0 ASNs 56% 1. At the other end 314 members have between 10 and 100 and 23 have more than 100.
Silvan Gebhardt - 19-05-2021 19:38:10
that is not taking sponsored objects into account I assume (Sorry, just curious)
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:38:11
@Radu: we do drop RPKI invalids, so they are either valid or unknown, didn't check
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:38:41
which meeting gave away violins as goodies ?
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:38:52
If u r a LIR with over 100 ASNs u r a large company and should have no problem to pay for it
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:38:52
Vienna, obvs.
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:39:03
@Silvian that is the analisys of 33427 ASNs
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:39:06
@silvan: well, our sponsoring-LIR-AS# would certainly show up as "we have more than one AS" (and our contracts with the customers permit just passing through all NCC costs)
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:39:06
that was around 2015 or 2016.... clearly much less RPKI at that time
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:39:19
I just knew this was going to be good. I KNEW.
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:40:08
will this be on youtube later?
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:40:24
Like and subscribe!
Jan Dirnberger - 19-05-2021 19:40:36
I wonder if Job will have enough time for the EB once he gets offered a Netflix deal :)
Erik Bais - 19-05-2021 19:40:47
Blake .. it already is :P
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:41:04
Jan: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Hank Nussbacher - 19-05-2021 19:41:04
Wife: Job, did u get the job?
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:41:12
Board candidates are already great youtubers :D
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:43:12
@Cynthia It looks like I joined your club of "missed letter in name" ;-)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:43:55
damn, I guess our names are both quite long and potentially difficult for non native speakers :)
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:44:09
Can I join this club?
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:44:42
sure! :)
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:44:51
isn't there some accent or something on one of the characters in your name?
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:44:54
Time for me to watch again the Piotr presentation and try to pronounce his name correctly
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:44:56
I gave up on my umlaut
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:45:02
entire words go missing from my name on the regular
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:45:03
wireless headphones :p
Remco van Mook - 19-05-2021 19:45:07
so, yeah
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:45:13
so can cook and ripe
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:45:13
Cynthia: Yes - Ř
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:45:21
ah :)
Maria Häll - 19-05-2021 19:45:37
:-)
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:45:37
Horrible to write, more horrible to spell.
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:46:12
TL:DR a ranked choice vote is still a vote. do not vote for a candidate that you do not want to see on the board
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:46:15
my name usually just becomes "Revstrom" when English speakers try to pronounce it
Maria Häll - 19-05-2021 19:46:34
Same here....Maria Hall....
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:46:48
Like the city hall ?
Jan Zorz - 19-05-2021 19:46:50
don't ask about mine :)
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:46:52
So in mine, it was regular "z" if I remember correctly
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:46:52
I mean, the lady giving me a vaccine jab last Saturday started to spell my surname with an 'L' :) But it's not the same problem.
Maria Häll - 19-05-2021 19:46:59
But much better than Maria Hell.... :-P
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:47:03
@Jan :D
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:47:08
over the phone, Cross regularly becomes Croft or some other word
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:47:11
The 'voters per country' confuses me time and again; I know that we're close to the ESC, but if anything, the numbers should be related to the numbers of eligible members per country - or give up on the country stats
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:47:11
Cynthia: Yes, but at least Ö is in more languages. Ř is in Czech only.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:47:24
yeah, tbh I have no clue how to pronounce it
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 19:47:48
Peter: Not sure I understand your comment?
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:48:10
Many Czech have problems with it. :-D Just Polish have a sound which is close. 'rz'
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:48:12
Let's create a 'how to pronounce foreign names working group'
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:48:25
Good suggestion, Julien!
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:48:34
Foreign from whose point of view? Maybe just "How to pronounce names?" :)
Jan Zorz - 19-05-2021 19:48:39
that's more of a workshop :)
Andreas Wittkemper - 19-05-2021 19:48:46
Diy
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:48:48
You all think you have it bad: because of the layout of the QWERTY keyboard, I routinely get called 'Tim'. :|
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:48:50
A BoF, running on the hour, every hour.
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:49:10
Once even, Tim Holl.
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:49:14
you could have a "pronouncing non english names" chat in spatialchat :p
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:49:20
Foreign as in 'not those I used too'
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:49:32
Julien, works for all. :)
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:49:38
yup, that's inclusive
Radu-Adrian Feurdean - 19-05-2021 19:49:57
All names are foreign. Just choose carefully for whom
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:50:07
@HPH: many LIRs in a country might result in many registered votes; higher population might result in higher number of LIRs; so, I'm not sure what the 'registered votes per country' is supposed to signal?
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 19:50:13
It's frequently personal too. Niall v Niall, for example.
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:50:15
Cynthia: "Gert" looks easy enough, and .nl is close enough to .de, but the way they massacre my name is impressive :-)
Piotr Strzyżewski - 19-05-2021 19:50:27
@Ondrej actually it is even harder - we have both rz and ż which is more or less equal to the letter you have referred
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:50:32
@Chert, what do you mean? :-)
Maximilian Wilhelm - 19-05-2021 19:50:42
:-D
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:50:58
Gert, so is like hard-G?
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:51:06
Piotr - Yes, we spoke about it. :-D
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:51:13
I'd always think it GEE(hard GE)rt
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 19:51:42
remember everyone to rank *all* candidates in order of preference, not only your top choices. Impacts later vote counting rounds
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 19:52:15
You say that James, but earlier Blake wrote "TL:DR a ranked choice vote is still a vote. do not vote for a candidate that you do not want to see on the board"
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:52:42
Harry, Cynthia: yes, hard-g ert, but the dutch make it a chhheeerd-thing
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:53:00
my-throat-hurts-g eeeeerd
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 19:53:06
It might be instructive to see the voting report from the last election: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/voting-report
Ulka Athale - 19-05-2021 19:53:30
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/voting
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:53:35
Gert, ah, so I guess that might be "Gört" if I tried to spell it in Swedish
Ulka Athale - 19-05-2021 19:53:42
The link to the instant run-off voting explainer video
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:53:44
good enough I think
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 19:53:52
See how the rounds progressed, see how ballots became exhausted at different stages, etc.
Sebastian Becker - 19-05-2021 19:54:01
I like Gört ... ;-)
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:54:27
I have a suspicion I will hear that more often...
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:54:31
My God, this GM finished 5mn early
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:54:32
we immediately see the viking-thing
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 19:54:46
@Rob and Blake, "do not vote for a candidate that you do not want to see on the board" I've heard and read it differently. Would be good to get this absolutely verified
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:54:46
Good day all !
Sebastian Becker - 19-05-2021 19:54:47
Thank you!
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:54:48
Thank you!
Clément Cavadore - 19-05-2021 19:54:50
thanks
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:54:51
those virtual meetings are so fast ...
Brian Nisbet - 19-05-2021 19:54:52
Good evening all!
Markus Zeilinger - 19-05-2021 19:54:53
Thanks everyone!
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:54:53
Thank you
Gert Doering - 19-05-2021 19:54:54
Sebastian: we're done! let's go climbing!
Julien Escario - 19-05-2021 19:54:56
thanks and good evening
Harry Cross - 19-05-2021 19:54:56
Thank you all :)
Emlyn Jones - 19-05-2021 19:54:57
Thanks!
Ivan Beveridge - 19-05-2021 19:54:57
Thank you Board - have a good evening all!
Tahar Schaa - 19-05-2021 19:54:58
well done!
Sascha Lenz - 19-05-2021 19:55:01
:clap:
Maria Häll - 19-05-2021 19:55:02
Thanks everyone!
Dominic Schallert - 19-05-2021 19:55:03
Thank you and have a good evening all!
Michael Perzi - 19-05-2021 19:55:06
bye bye
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:55:08
James you can check the bigpulse docs
Tom Hill - 19-05-2021 19:55:08
Beeeerr
Andreas Wittkemper - 19-05-2021 19:55:09
Bye bye
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 19:55:11
thanks! bon appetit
Rob Evans - 19-05-2021 19:55:20
TTFN.
William Gathoye - 19-05-2021 19:55:23
Bye. Thanks a lot to everyone o/
Christian Beyer - 19-05-2021 19:55:25
Thanks!
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:55:29
the raw data report is excellent, thanks Fergal for sharing\
Toine Theunissen - 19-05-2021 19:55:44
Thx, bye
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:55:52
they call it single transferrable vote: https://www.bigpulsevoting.com/single-transferable-vote-stv/
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 19:56:19
Sergey, on the question of publishing all votes for retabulation. The problem is that some people represent several members and therefore get a weighting for more votes. Publishing such information could compromise anonymity, which is very important.
Paul Hoogsteder - 19-05-2021 19:56:29
ROFL
Silvan Gebhardt - 19-05-2021 19:56:35
what about some singing? :P
Eric van Uden - 19-05-2021 19:56:36
Doei ;-)
Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf - 19-05-2021 19:56:37
was busy casting the votes ;)
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:56:38
Its like the real physical meeting - we sit there on our laptops!
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:56:40
we are waiting for sandwiches!!!
Martin Winter - 19-05-2021 19:56:42
The fell asleep
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:56:45
sure we stay, has been paid for !
Robert Scheck - 19-05-2021 19:56:47
Oh, is there no free beer now?
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:56:51
Can we get beer delivered?
Andreas Härpfer - 19-05-2021 19:56:51
Waiting for outtakes
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:56:53
hotel bar is not open yet
Ian Dickinson - 19-05-2021 19:56:55
pour it!
Eric van Uden - 19-05-2021 19:57:04
It´s like in cinema, wait until the end ;-)
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 19:57:13
we want to hear the internal board gossip :D
Jori Vanneste - 19-05-2021 19:57:22
haha
Blake Willis - 19-05-2021 19:57:33
today is 1st day bars are open in France for 8 months, the pubs across the street have become a block party
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:57:42
+1 James
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:58:04
Maria, join your employer's Fridaybeer call sometime :p
Jori Vanneste - 19-05-2021 19:58:06
@Blake Bars here in Belgium have opened back up as well
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:58:13
go ahead board people — have yourself a drink for us!
Ondrej Filip - 19-05-2021 19:58:43
:-)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 19:59:12
it is time for RIPE NCC to jump on blockchain… RPKIcoin?
Sergiy Goloborodko - 19-05-2021 19:59:14
@Dmitry nobody can prevent us doing the same :-)
Peter Koch - 19-05-2021 19:59:34
hmm, the voting page does not explain whether numbering is top-down or bottom-up ...
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 19:59:36
maybe the EB could move to spatial chat for more discussion?
Paul Thornton - 19-05-2021 19:59:40
There are lots of bottles in a flight case at the NCC office!
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 19:59:47
@James - it will come down to preference. Some voters will only want maybe 2 or 3 of the candidates to possibly be elected. Then you limit the number of preferences. Some will have a preference among all five. I.e. I would prefer candidate 4 to 5 if my candidates are not elected. In that case, vote down the ballot.
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 20:00:38
surely those cloud savings would result in more funding for in-person meetings where we can have those drinks :)
Robert Scheck - 19-05-2021 20:01:02
Alternatively keep the higher sign-up fee...also leads to more money for more drinks ;-)
James Kennedy - 19-05-2021 20:01:22
@Fergal, "I would prefer candidate 4 to 5 if my candidates are not elected." thanks for clarifying
Paul Boissel dombreval - 19-05-2021 20:01:23
So, www.bigpulse.com where is that IPv6?
Job Snijders - 19-05-2021 20:01:33
thank you all - have a good evening
Cynthia Revström - 19-05-2021 20:02:14
or you going to your secret call now?
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 20:02:14
No probs, James. Happy to answer questions at my email or on list if needed.
Fergal Cunningham - 19-05-2021 20:02:53
Goodbye all!
Dmitry Kohmanyuk - 19-05-2021 20:03:21
wish you good weather in Norway HPH! bye
Yuriy Bogdanov - 19-05-2021 20:04:46
bye bye everybody.
Hans Petter Holen - 19-05-2021 20:04:54
Thanks, Its a lovely evening with sun tonight.