Re: Draft of the new TTM service contract

[Tim Chown <]

Sounds OK :)

On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 07:09:51PM +0100, Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC) wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:41:44PM +0100, Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC) wrote:
> 
> > > Article 7.3: All data can now be made available for scientific and
> > >              statistical research, subject to the conditions in the
> > >              data disclosure policy.
> >
> > Made available by who to who?   Do you mean that TT statistics will no
> > longer be password protected to TTM server owners?
> 
> There are 2 issues here:
> 
> A. In both the current and new policy, data can be made available for
>    scientific research purposes.  In the current policy, recent data
>    has to be anonymized.  That is, we cannot give people the list with
>    the locations of the boxes. For older data we can.
> 
>    So, if you ask me for the Dec'2002 data set, I can tell you exactly
>    where box tt01.ripe.net is located.  If you ask me for the January
>    2003 set, I can't.  If you ask me for both December and January,
>    I'm not sure, but even if I don't, then it isn't exactly rocket
>    science to find out by yourself.
> 
>    This change gets rid of this silly situation.  We can simply
>    tell people where the boxes are located.
> 
>    This is independent of the second issue.
> 
> B. Who gets access to the data.  As you know, we want to open
>    the TTM to a larger community.  This requires the data disclosure
>    policy (DDP, RIPE 180) to be changed.  I'm still struggling with the
>    wording, but my current draft says something like:
> 
>  * One can get the data for research purposes.
>  * One has to sign the DDP first.
>  * Any paper has to anonymize the names of the hosting organizations.
>  * Any paper has to be shown to the TB hosts before publication.
> 
>    I'm still working on this draft, I hope to have a version for
> discussion after the weekend.
> 
> 
> Henk
> 
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