[routing-wg] The dangers of demonizing bogons 2019-08 : (Fwd: [ncc-announce] [news] Sanctions and the RIPE NCC: Status Update)

Job,

Although I see your concerns I don't agree that 2019-08 changes RPKI from
"opt-in" to "no opt-out". In fact, 2019-08 gives you options to "opt-in" in
multiple ways and so gives you options to choose from.

Regards,
Melchior

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:46 PM Job Snijders <job at ntt.net> wrote:

> Dear group,
>
> This message is in context of 2019-08 and related policy proposals in
> other regions of the world. When the RPKI is changed from an "opt-in" to an
> "no opt-out" mechanism, things will break horribly. Christian's message
> should make that clear.
>
> Imagine that the sanctions progress in intensity, to a state where RIPE
> NCC must de-register the resources assigned to the 3 members on the
> sanctions list. Their resources would stop being assigned, and move into
> the unassigned pool. This means they'll end up on the SLURM file, and if
> *you* use that SLURM file you will NOT be able to communicate via the
> Internet with fellow humans who happened to be born into an unfortunate
> situation. For this reason I will not use such SLURM files, they have the
> potential to do far more harm than they are doing me good.
>
>
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/job_snijders/dont-terminate-peoples-internet-connections
>
> The people in charge will find a way to browse the web anyway (satellite,
> lease IPs from other places), where stuff like this really hurts is the
> small people that are trying to find information on the Internet about the
> state of the world.
>
> Please read the below and ask yourself whether it really is worth it to
> pursue 2019-08 or related policies in other regions.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: Christian Kaufmann <exec-board at ripe.net>
> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
> Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] Sanctions and the RIPE NCC: Status Update
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 13:09
>
> Dear members,
>
> I want to briefly update you on the current situation involving sanctions,
> following my last email back in April[1].
>
> In short, there have been no major developments and the situation is
> largely unchanged. However, to keep you informed, allow me to briefly run
> through this again.
>
> STATUS OF EXEMPTION REQUEST AND FROZEN MEMBERSHIPS
>
> In April, we mentioned that the RIPE NCC was seeking an exemption from EU
> sanctions regulation from the Dutch authorities. The authorities have
> indicated that their response will take longer than usual, possibly due to
> the COVID-19 situation. We will inform you when we receive a decision on
> our request.
>
> For the three members believed to be on the sanctions list, this means
> that their LIR accounts remain frozen and they remain unable to access RIPE
> NCC services. While this is not ideal, it does mean that their resources
> have not been deregistered.
>
> BANK TRANSFERS FROM IRANIAN AND SYRIAN MEMBERS
>
> My earlier email also mentioned that the RIPE NCC's bank had temporarily
> revoked its ability to receive bank transfers from members in Iran and
> Syria. Unfortunately, this restriction remains in place and will likely
> remain so until the RIPE NCC receives a response to its exemption request.
>
> As this will probably take longer than the 1 July payment deadline, the
> RIPE NCC is looking at ways to address this and will follow up with
> affected members directly.
>
> RIPE NCC EXECUTIVE BOARD POSITION
>
> This is also unchanged, but I think you'll agree that this is a good
> thing: "The Executive Board of the RIPE NCC believes that the means of
> communication should not be affected by political discussions or disputes.
> This includes the provision of correctly registered Internet numbering
> resources."[2]
>
> At our board meeting last week, we reaffirmed that the RIPE NCC is
> committed to pursuing all legal means to continue providing services to all
> of its members. As we have already stated, we believe the Internet is a
> critical tool for humanity and should not be affected by political
> discussions.
>
> I regret that we are not yet able to give a more positive update, we are
> doing all we can to resolve this issue. If you have any questions or
> comments for the board, please contact us at <exec-board at ripe.net>.
>
> Regards
>
> Christian Kaufmann
> RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman
>
> [1] Sanctions and the RIPE NCC: Current Status and Executive Board
> Position:
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2020-April/001413.html
>
> [2] Executive Board Resolution on Continuity of Services to all RIPE NCC
> Members:
>
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-board-resolution-on-continuity-of-services-to-all-ripe-ncc-members
>
>
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