[ripe-list] Mandatory mic time after presentations [Was: RIPE86 results]

Hello!

I'd like to add my +1 to mandatory mic time. A well-aimed questions and 
remarks right after presentations can (and sometimes really do) spin up 
discussions about (not only) *topics not mentioned in the presentation* 
but worth mentioning. Including these questions makes it harder for the 
speakers to be biased to one side and deliver a manipulative talk. 
Barring immediate plenum discussion is giving more freedom to lying.

Remember also that the discussion is included in the recording. The 
mailing-list discussion not only isn't included, but it isn't easy to 
find even when you know what you're looking for. Take this thread as an 
example. Are we really always changing the e-mail subject when the 
discussion subject changes?

Maria

On 6/1/23 12:06, Lars-Johan Liman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
>
> I agree it's a difficult balance, but I think I'm more on the
> "discussion" side. IMHO, presentations are available on Youtube and in
> other fora, in abundance and viewable at my whim. What I really look for
> in a conference is the discussions. I see a trend in the conferences I
> attend (IETF, RIPE, and to some extent ICANN) to shift from a mix of
> discussions and presentations, to presentations "only". I think that
> removes important human interaction. It's only when both sides listen
> and exchange views and thoughts that we can move forward in a true
> democratic way. Watching presentations doesn't quite help with that.
>
> Mailing lists have some very good properties, but face2face interaction
> has other good properties to offer. We need both.
>
> YMMV.
>
> 				Best regards,
> 				  /Liman
>
> julf at Julf.com  2023-05-31 17:06 [+0200]:
>> As one of the coop-wg co-chairs I have to say it is a hard balance to
>> strike - do we want to have as many interesting presentations as
>> possible, or do we want to use the time for discussion? My personal
>> view is that we have the mailing list (that is open to anyone) for
>> discussion and demo'cratic interaction, and the actual meeting sessions
>> are best filled with presentations (with possible comments/discussion
>> on the mailing list).
>> 	Julf
>> On 31/05/2023 14:15, Tahar Schaa wrote:
>>> +1
>>> ...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me.
>>> Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no
>>> mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me.
>>> I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to
>>> preserve democratic interaction.
>>> cu
>>> Tahar
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Alex Band
>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15
>>> An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list<ripe-list at ripe.net>
>>> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results
>>> Hello,
>>> Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
>>>
>>>> On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari<warren at kumari.net>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden<ripe-list at ripe.net>  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>> Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large
>>>> meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better
>>>> community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the
>>>> hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions
>>>> / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for
>>>> breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
>>> The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially
>>> for newcomers.
>>> I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250
>>> people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the
>>> attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the
>>> fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other.
>>> Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide,
>>> 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic
>>> around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying
>>> to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often
>>> appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a
>>> giant room.
>>> Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd
>>> nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of
>>> the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to
>>> interact.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alex
>>> [1]https://2023.rustnl.org/
>>> [2]https://catchbox.com/
>>>
>>>> I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did
>>>> seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve
>>>> the food, it really didn't bother me much.
>>>>
>>>> W
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Von:        "Alex de Joode"<alex at idgara.nl>
>>>> An:ripe-list at ripe.net
>>>> Datum:        28-05-2023 11:42
>>>> Betreff:        [ripe-list] RIPE86 results
>>>> Gesendet von:        "ripe-list"<ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RIPE86 has closed,
>>>>
>>>> so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
>>>>
>>>> Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event
>>>> (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ).
>>>> This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also
>>>> was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do
>>>> meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of
>>>> a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data
>>>> concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper
>>>> hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
>>>>
>>>> Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some
>>>> background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging
>>>> scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the
>>>> run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex
>>>> ​--
>>>> IDGARA | Alex de Joode |alex at idgara.nl  | +31651108221

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