<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> Hello! I'd like to add my +1 to mandatory mic time. A well-aimed questions and remarks right after presentations can (and sometimes really do) spin up discussions about (not only) topics not mentioned in the presentation but worth mentioning. Including these questions makes it harder for the speakers to be biased to one side and deliver a manipulative talk. Barring immediate plenum discussion is giving more freedom to lying. Remember also that the discussion is included in the recording. The mailing-list discussion not only isn't included, but it isn't easy to find even when you know what you're looking for. Take this thread as an example. Are we really always changing the e-mail subject when the discussion subject changes? Maria <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/1/23 12:06, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:221qivlcog.fsf@floptop.liman.net"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Julf, I agree it's a difficult balance, but I think I'm more on the "discussion" side. IMHO, presentations are available on Youtube and in other fora, in abundance and viewable at my whim. What I really look for in a conference is the discussions. I see a trend in the conferences I attend (IETF, RIPE, and to some extent ICANN) to shift from a mix of discussions and presentations, to presentations "only". I think that removes important human interaction. It's only when both sides listen and exchange views and thoughts that we can move forward in a true democratic way. Watching presentations doesn't quite help with that. Mailing lists have some very good properties, but face2face interaction has other good properties to offer. We need both. YMMV. Best regards, /Liman <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:julf@Julf.com">julf@Julf.com</a> 2023-05-31 17:06 [+0200]: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">As one of the coop-wg co-chairs I have to say it is a hard balance to strike - do we want to have as many interesting presentations as possible, or do we want to use the time for discussion? My personal view is that we have the mailing list (that is open to anyone) for discussion and demo'cratic interaction, and the actual meeting sessions are best filled with presentations (with possible comments/discussion on the mailing list). </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> Julf </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 31/05/2023 14:15, Tahar Schaa wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">+1 ...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me. Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me. I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to preserve democratic interaction. cu Tahar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a>] Im Auftrag von Alex Band Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15 An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net"><ripe-list@ripe.net></a> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Hello, Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:warren@kumari.net"><warren@kumari.net></a> wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net"><ripe-list@ripe.net></a> wrote: Hi, It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen. Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting. I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks. Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that. </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers. I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other. Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room. Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact. Cheers, Alex [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://2023.rustnl.org/">https://2023.rustnl.org/</a> [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://catchbox.com/">https://catchbox.com/</a> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much. W Best regards, Eric van Uden AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:e.vanuden@avm.de">e.vanuden@avm.de</a> Bezoek onze website op <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://nl.avm.de/">http://nl.avm.de/</a> , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal. AVM GmbH for International Communication Technology, Alt-Moabit 95, 10559 Berlin, Germany HRB 48220 AG Charlottenburg, CEO (Geschäftsführer): Johannes Nill Von: "Alex de Joode" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alex@idgara.nl"><alex@idgara.nl></a> An: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net">ripe-list@ripe.net</a> Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net"><ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net></a> RIPE86 has closed, so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald! Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other). Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward. Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alex@idgara.nl">alex@idgara.nl</a> | +31651108221 </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Maria Matejka | BIRD Team Leader | CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o.</pre> </body> </html>