[ripe-list] New Draft RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) document - for your review

Or maybe I am mistaken and we actually have RIPE PDP courts and police to
enforce these laws and I have just missed them.

-Cynthia

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote:

> Can you please stop calling it law?
> It is NOT a law!
>
> -Cynthia
>
> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
>
>> That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”
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>> El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via
>> ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net>
>> escribió:
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>> But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural
>> documents can include suggestions even if national laws often don't.
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>> The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal
>> national laws often don't, is extremely silly.
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>> -Cynthia
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>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
>> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
>>
>> That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”
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>> Saludos,
>>
>> Jordi
>>
>> @jordipalet
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>> El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió:
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>> Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.
>>
>> This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.
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>>
>> -Cynthia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <
>> ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sander,
>>
>> Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have
>> not got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.
>>
>> Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible
>> subjective interpretations.
>>
>>
>> El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" <
>> ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió:
>>
>>     Jordi,
>>
>>     > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience
>> doesn't show that.
>>
>>     No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy
>> proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably
>> one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support
>> it.
>>
>>     > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that
>> process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict
>> rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". We can't mix rules and
>> suggestions in a formal PDP text.
>>
>>     Yes we can, we are not writing law.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>     Sander
>>
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