<div dir="ltr">Or maybe I am mistaken and we actually have RIPE PDP courts and police to enforce these laws and I have just missed them.<div><br></div><div>-Cynthia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cynthia Revström <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re">me@cynthia.re</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Can you please stop calling it law?<div>It is NOT a law!</div><div><br></div><div>-Cynthia</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="ES"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list" <<a href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list@ripe.net</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents can include suggestions even if national laws often don't.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal national laws often don't, is extremely silly.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">-Cynthia<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es" target="_blank">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt">That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Saludos,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jordi</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black">@jordipalet</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" target="_blank">me@cynthia.re</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">-Cynthia<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <<a href="mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">Hi Sander,<br><br>Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.<br><br>Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible subjective interpretations.<br><br><br>El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" <<a href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" target="_blank">sander@steffann.nl</a>> escribió:<br><br> Jordi,<br><br> > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience doesn't show that.<br><br> No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support it.<br><br> > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". 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