[ripe-list] repeated and continued PDP violation - WG chairs delaying or denying proposal publication - new policy proposal "Ensure Neutrality of PDP Appeals Procedure"

Just to make it explicit. I disagree with the proposal.

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Ondřej Surý <ondrej at sury.org> (He/Him)

> On 7. 2. 2021, at 14:06, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <
ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all,

>
> Across the years, I've suffered this situation several times and I think
this community must not allow it anymore and I wish the PDP has explicit
actions against those situations, so they don't happen over and over.
>
> Briefly, in several situation I've written policy proposals, and the
chairs of the WG, tried to convince me to not publish it, or actually
decided not to publish it, or delayed it.
>
> Of course, this is a clear violation of the PDP (RIPE-710). The PDP
states:
> "Discussions may be started by anyone at any time. Participants are
welcome to discuss broad ideas as well as to make detailed policy proposals"
>
> Also:
> "A proposal is discussed publicly in the relevant RIPE Working Group
(WG)[1]. The proposal is usually submitted via the chair of that WG."
>
> Actually, and since many years, "usually", you submit the proposal to the
Policy Officer and if you already know the appropriate WG, you copy to the
WG chairs. It is normal that the publication is delayed for a few days, as
the WG chairs can provide some inputs, the staff as well (including
editorial suggestions), questions to the staff, even the Board, etc., etc.
>
> HOWEVER, there is no way for the WG chairs to delay or deny a publication
or reject a proposal (unless is clearly out of the scope of the WG).
>
> Actual specific example of the situation I'm facing (approximate dates,
just to show the unacceptable delay in a policy proposal publication):
>
> 1) 9th September 2020: Anti-abuse-wg chairs decided to declare
non-consensus in proposal 2019-04 and I announce that I've asked them for
more details and if I'm not satisfied, I will start an appeal. A couple of
community members, in private, tell me that it will not happen. I re-read
the PDP and get convinced that they're right, but I must do it anyway.
>
> 2) I write a policy proposal ("Ensure Neutrality of PDP Appeals
Procedure") to update the PDP to avoid this happening in the future (so
clearly knowing that it will be relevant for my appeal). Submitted formally
on 5th October. This proposal is sent to the Policy Officer and copied the
chairs-team (as the PDP update is done via the "plenary" WG).
>
> 3) In the following few days/weeks, there are some updates of the policy
proposal, thanks to the inputs of the Policy Officer and even there is a
request to the Board for their confirmation in one detail (no longer
relevant in the attached version).
>
> 4) At the end of October, as a result of several inputs from the Policy
Officer and the Board I've a final version, which however, gets new inputs
from the chairs-team so my very last version is really final by 12 of
November and I ask for immediate publication.
>
> 5) Chairs-team try to convince me that they don't agree with a paragraph
from the proposal on December 1st, also they indicate that Xmas is a bad
timing (which never minds because the discussion phase could be extended if
there are no inputs, etc.).
>
> 6) Even if there have been several requests from my side for publication
(we have been discussing a parallel topic for a report on the appeal
process, which doesn't change my perspective on my proposal), I've asked
several times for the immediate publication, which has not yet been done.
>
> I agree that a month, for an initial discussion with the staff, editorial
inputs, etc., is acceptable, even if most of those discussions could
actually happen just in 1-2 weeks, because they could take place in
parallel, instead of sequentially as it has been the case. However, we have
got 3 extra months (November, December, January), and the proposal is NOT
YET PUBLISHED. Even worst, the last times I asked for the publication, I
got NO RESPONSE from the chairs.
>
> As a consequence, in addition to make sure that this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN
(I mean in general, no violation of the PDP), I attach the proposal, so the
staff, *following the mandate of the PDP* (not the chairs, which have no
voice on this according to the PDP) publish it IMMEDIATELY and we can start
a discussion of it, immediately.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
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