[ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

The implementation of the resource transfer policy (
https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-003-d4#details) would
enable AFRINIC to reduce the risks in case their situation goes sideways.
However, I do not agree with an emergency policy when a transfer policy is
awaiting implementation. They should focus on that transfer policy
implementation because it is the right thing to do now.

Regards,
Erick

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 10:55 PM Thizwilondi Malupa <sienqle at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Robert ,
>
> I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is
> pushing for the  transfer  policy for some other reasons. Passing a
> transfer policy would  by all means reduce the risk of having AFRINIC badly
> affected entirely , including this community  . And I think if we have a
> transfer policy in place it will also be good for future challenges. But
> not that it will always be a solution to look at during a crisis , but it
> will be helpful to have it  in case it needs to be used .  I suggest you
> look at it in a way where you put the interest of the future of the
> AFRINIC  mind.
>
> Regards,
> Ishmael
>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 3:50 PM robert ford via Community-Discuss <
> community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
>> Typical of Andrew about transfer of rights. He clearly knows what he
>> would use such transfer policy for.
>>
>> Glad rightful thinking members of African Internet community understand
>> the baits
>>
>> RF
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:44, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the
>> resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess
>> AFRINIC is putting them through.
>>
>> But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we
>> already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has
>> achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies
>> the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.*
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lamiaa CHNAYTI
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss <
>> community-discuss at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers
>>> and pass a transfer policy.
>>>
>>> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this
>>> situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile
>>> transfer out - problem solved.
>>>
>>> It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which
>>> the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if
>>> AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely
>>> zero risk in this approach.
>>>
>>> Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of
>>> other legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from
>>> the current legal situation
>>>
>>> I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its
>>> members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been
>>> echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should
>>> therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said
>>> risk if it is within their powers to do so
>>>
>>> Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on
>>> the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system
>>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this
>>> situation.  In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be
>>> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members
>>> mitigate their risks as they see fit
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM
>>> *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>
>>> *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss at arin.net>; secretariat <
>>> secretariat at nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss at afrinic.net>;
>>> apnic-talk <apnic-talk at lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list at ripe.net>;
>>> Members Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service
>>> migration to other RIRs
>>>
>>> Good day all,
>>>
>>> I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement
>>> has been watered down now).
>>>
>>> If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending
>>> towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it
>>> is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry
>>> afloat.
>>> Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming
>>> to save the region.
>>> I will like the community to see this as “option 1”.
>>>
>>> Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not
>>> so likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to
>>> carry out its duties?
>>>
>>> If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members.
>>>
>>> If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of
>>> the financial breakdown.
>>>
>>> That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward
>>> and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive.
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hello community
>>>
>>> I think I  misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate
>>> sentiments.
>>>
>>> Let me try this again:
>>> In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC
>>> (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service
>>> function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted
>>> to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner
>>> <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner at africaoncloud.net>>*
>>> wrote ----
>>>
>>> Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large.
>>>
>>> The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and
>>> especially by AFRINIC's  own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu,
>>> which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s
>>> inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its
>>> inability to meet its financial requirements.
>>>
>>> I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other
>>> business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core
>>> registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their
>>> responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over
>>> AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is
>>> settled some time later. (
>>> https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/
>>> )
>>>
>>> That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results
>>> come out of litigation.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Paul Wollner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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