[ripe-list] choosing locations for RIPE meetings

Of course, the 2006 document may not work now, is just a reference for issues to consider (actually not sure the reason for your comment). Also IETF meeting is not exactly the same as a RIR one, but close.

I think in the case of RIPE, a higher-level decision should be “are we going to meet in places were a considerable % of participants will have difficult to come?” “Are there privacy implications, such as providing a passport and CV in advance” “is Internet access being restricted in some way?” “are we accepting countries with fines for mistakes in submitting documents” “are we accepting providing a personal cellular phone (I never provided it and will never do)”.

Note that I’m not speaking for myself, I’m mostly not concerned for all this, but respect others that may be, even I purchased my flight and booked my Dubai hotel several months ago, as I usually do to save some budget. However, I feel concerned with the new requirements and I believe in general we should disallow meeting in locations with “surprising” requirements and we should have a policy for willing to go to locations with similar requirements. Also, we should remind that RIPE meetings are also attended by people in other regions, and we should support them.

Regards,
Jordi
 

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De: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de Hans Petter Holen <hph at oslo.net>
Responder a: <hph at oslo.net>
Fecha: miércoles, 5 de julio de 2017, 15:17
Para: <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
CC: <ripe-list at ripe.net>
Asunto: Re: [ripe-list] choosing locations for RIPE meetings

    Tanks for the references, I will study them with interest - and looking forward to the outcome of the IETF process.
    It is however worth considering that a meeting within the Schengen area would probably not fulfil the requirements specified in your draft from 2006. 
    
    No matter how detailed specifications we make, somebody in the end have to make a judgement call on where to go. In some cases the landscape changes after the decision has been made. In such a case we must either live with the new requirements, move or cancel the meeting. In most cases that may be to late or to expensive.
    
    
    
    On 5 July 2017 at 15:05, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
    
    Clearly what is missing there is something ensuring the “wide” participation from all the RIPE region countries, disallowing locations that will be of great trouble for people to attend, not restricting access to any specific country, allowing freedom of speech and freedom of Internet access. Meeting in a country that do any kind of Internet filtering should discard that location.
    
    I suggest, instead of working in something new, looking at the IETF documents, as they may be a starting point.
    
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria-04
    
    Actual work is under a new WG:
    
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mtgvenue/about/
    
    Regarding technical requirements:
    
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-network-requirements-01
    
    Regards,
    Jordi
    
    
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    De: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de Hans Petter Holen <hph at oslo.net>
    Responder a: <hph at oslo.net>
    Fecha: miércoles, 5 de julio de 2017, 14:54
    Para: Jim Reid <jim at rfc1035.com>
    CC: <ripe-list at ripe.net>, <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
    Asunto: Re: [ripe-list] choosing locations for RIPE meetings
    
        On 5 July 2017 at 14:11, Jim Reid <jim at rfc1035.com> wrote:
    
    
    
        > On 5 Jul 2017, at 12:30, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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        > I’m fine with an overall decision of the “general principles for a meeting location”, but is not that going to have almost the same difficulty for reaching consensus? Has this been decided already? There is a document about that?
    
        I don’t believe so. IIRC there have been discussions from time to time about producing such a document and they never went anywhere.
    
    
    
    
        The location of RIPE meetings are chosen according to the process described at:
    
        https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-location-selection-process
    
    
        The page links to a document describing the requirements.
    
        Improvement suggestions are as always welcome.
    
        As to the particular requirements for the upcoming meeting in Dubai, UAE, the requirements were not know to us, nor the local host at the time the decision was made. It would definitely been taken into consideration had it been known.
    
    
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