[ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 20

Hello,

> On 21 Dec 2022, at 22:00, Olha Sira <vasylevych at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Serg and colleagues,
> 
> You asked good questions.
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 11:20 PM Serg Galat <greysticky at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear colleague,
>> 
>> To my mind you don't see the latest RIPE event.
>> Or didn't look carefully.
>> 
>> I'm fully agree with point 1 of your speech.
>> That is, there is a problem. But there's no solution, or a legitimate solution.
>> 
>> Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU LIRs.
> Do you have an example, how it happened before? Or is it just concerns
> that it might happen theoretically?

No one who did ones will will give you proof! Why? Because their relatives and friends are still under occupation. Is this clear?
Theoretically? May be, but not for me.

> 
>> Accept transfers from UA to UA? Okay, but what territory of the UA at the time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely?
> 
> Ukraine is a very big country. It consists of 24 regions and Crimea,
> which was annexed in 2014. Each region  might be compared to Belgium
> by its area. 14 regions of Ukraine
> haven't had occupied territories  at all.There are completely
> deoccupied regions, like Kyiv region, Chernihiv region, and Summy
> region. There are many observers from the Ukrainian side,
> international and even  from the Russian side, who print maps of the
> frontline. RIPE NCC could use a map and determine how far the front
> line is from the place of registration of the entity.  For the moment
> 4 regions have occupied territories, 20 don't.  For example, only
> Kharkiv region area is 31 415 square km, Belgium is 30 688 square km.
> It is huge territory and it wasn't occupied totally at the beginning
> of war and it is slightly possible that such a big region will be
> occupied at once and no one will notice this. If we look on the map of
> Kharkiv region and find Krasnohrad it is obvious it can't be occupied
> without massive offensive, which obviously will be noticed. As each
> change on the frontline is widely discussed in the European press and
> TV.  Please note that Kharkiv region is 1/24 of whole Ukraine.
> If there will be a new offensive to the North of Ukraine and Kyiv, It
> will mean a second front opening for Russians and for the European
> community. If this happens, it will be widely discussed. So RIPE NCC
> will know the next day. But if there was a request a day before, why
> to postfone it?

You need to see what Athina Fragkouli said on RIPE85 event.
She spoke about this very situation. Clearly understandable and unambiguous

> 
> 
>> And RIPE NCC is not blocking transfers by himself. The part of ua LIRs ask NCC to do that. Temporarily.
> Honestly, no one asked to block UA to UA transfers, except those
> several people who came to the meeting. But such transfers are blocked
> too.
> 
>> Until this working group adopts the necessary changes to the relevant polices.
>> 
>> So no cynicism and naivety. Or something similar. That's if it's fair.
>> 
> Regards,
> Olha Sira


— 
Serg Galat