[ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 20

Hi Serg and colleagues,

You asked good questions.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 11:20 PM Serg Galat <greysticky at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear colleague,
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> To my mind you don't see the latest RIPE event.
> Or didn't look carefully.
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> I'm fully agree with point 1 of your speech.
> That is, there is a problem. But there's no solution, or a legitimate solution.
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> Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU LIRs.
Do you have an example, how it happened before? Or is it just concerns
that it might happen theoretically?

> Accept transfers from UA to UA? Okay, but what territory of the UA at the time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely?

Ukraine is a very big country. It consists of 24 regions and Crimea,
which was annexed in 2014. Each region  might be compared to Belgium
by its area. 14 regions of Ukraine
haven't had occupied territories  at all.There are completely
deoccupied regions, like Kyiv region, Chernihiv region, and Summy
region. There are many observers from the Ukrainian side,
international and even  from the Russian side, who print maps of the
frontline. RIPE NCC could use a map and determine how far the front
line is from the place of registration of the entity.  For the moment
4 regions have occupied territories, 20 don't.  For example, only
Kharkiv region area is 31 415 square km, Belgium is 30 688 square km.
It is huge territory and it wasn't occupied totally at the beginning
of war and it is slightly possible that such a big region will be
occupied at once and no one will notice this. If we look on the map of
Kharkiv region and find Krasnohrad it is obvious it can't be occupied
without massive offensive, which obviously will be noticed. As each
change on the frontline is widely discussed in the European press and
TV.  Please note that Kharkiv region is 1/24 of whole Ukraine.
If there will be a new offensive to the North of Ukraine and Kyiv, It
will mean a second front opening for Russians and for the European
community. If this happens, it will be widely discussed. So RIPE NCC
will know the next day. But if there was a request a day before, why
to postfone it?


> And RIPE NCC is not blocking transfers by himself. The part of ua LIRs ask NCC to do that. Temporarily.
Honestly, no one asked to block UA to UA transfers, except those
several people who came to the meeting. But such transfers are blocked
too.

> Until this working group adopts the necessary changes to the relevant polices.
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> So no cynicism and naivety. Or something similar. That's if it's fair.
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Regards,
Olha Sira
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