[ncc-services-wg] 2012-08 New Policy Proposal (Publication of Sponsoring LIR for Independent Number Resources)

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On 17.10.2012 23:53, Sascha Luck wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:20:53PM +0200, Michael Markstaller
> wrote:
>> Who is it then?
>> 
>> Sorry, thats a little unfair.. We as LIR and me as CTO have to be
>> responsible for our resources. Lets say it a little drastic: If
>> someone asks me for a /24 to spam the world, I'd tell him I won't
>> do this as I'm responsible what happens there. Point.
> 
> They are not *your* resources, they are Provider-Independent. You
> can, of course, write in your PI contract what you want, but not
> all of us want to play internet police for some PI space we may not
> even route.

Hey, I didn't say that. The resources are lended and I dont want to
play police (which is wrong, if then I'd want want to be a dictator ;))

I think we mean the same, I'm pro an open, legal system.
But honestly, look at the PI-assigments: percentage with reachable
eMails? Is it more than 10%?

>> But would it be ok to tell: "Well, hmm, get a PI don't tell
>> anybody it's from me and push out your shit over another provider
>> so they just don't call up me?" Don't think so..
> 
> Yes, in the case of a politically controversial website or
> something like that (think mohammed videos or such) this may be the
> *only* way for someone to get PI and I'd like to keep it like
> that.

I understand your point (see the discussion on the weird uani
request), my answer as LIR is: I'm not responsible or accountable for
ressouces but - IMHO when I lend them from RIPE to someone, still
somewhat in charge - and therefore I have to take care of, otherwise I
could stay consumer and take PA, isn't it ?

So again the question: why should PI be more or less more anonymous
while we as LIR have to be transparant and tell ?

So very tightened said: Why should have the PI-owners have better
rights than me as a LIR?
Said another way: I want their data, I want to know where, who etc..
This is not about collecting data (which I refuse), its about knowing
what I need in case..


regards

Michael

Michael
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