[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Here we go:

Gert Doering gert at space.net
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*Thu May 16 12:03:49 CEST 2024*

Hi,

On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 11:57:53AM +0200, Mentor Leniqi wrote:
>* Look, i really don't need to argue with you because it's worthless it's not
*>* just AfriNIC but all the RIRs require almost the same. And, do me a favour,
*>* find me the statistic that the LIRs from other RIRs moved to RIPE just
*>* because of price per resource holder.
*
I'm not going to do your homework.

I just correct factually incorrect claims, because some other reader might
actually believe all this - and that would start doing more harm.

Gert Doering

There was pointed that, if we vote for a model charge per resource holder
just like all other RIR have such policy, someone or i believe Murat
pointed that because of such model big boys will move away from RIPE to
other RIRs, i asked/wondered how many of LIRs non-RIPE moved to RIPE
because of such model, you said that go and find out yourself which i found
it. Your reply:

Gert Doering gert at space.net
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*Thu May 16 12:09:30 CEST 2024*

Hi,

On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:07PM +0200, Mentor Leniqi wrote:
>* It is true, and stop making other members less knowledgeable! We all know
*>* to read the RIR rules, and we can see the inter-RIR transfers. Almost not a
*>* single one moved to RIPE because of price/model charged by resource holder
*>* but because mostly EU companies buys those IPv4 space!
*
So how do you read that from the available data?

Unless backed by data, I call it an unfounded claim...

Gert Doering

you can clearly see that it was noone moved to RIPE because of charging
model pay per resource which is openly here:

https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/transfer-statistics/inter-rir/inter-rir-ipv4-transfer-statistics/

Now regarding obtain the resource from other RIR, while you are in Eu/RIPE
region and use into RIPE region from other RIRs, you clearly pointed that
except AFRINIC others don't have such policies. Article 9 of ARIN prevent
or at least you would need registered business in Arin region and i am not
going to lose my time with you which is worthless arguing with you
regarding this really.
It is known that and you can't think nor say that all other RIRs are doing
wrong except RIPE doing right regarding charging model. It is very simple,
pay per resource holder is the way to go, there is no other fair method.



On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 4:37 PM Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 04:30:28PM +0200, Mentor Leniqi wrote:
> > You don't really care about arguments, the same you did with charging
> model
> > like other RIRs, and you argued that because of this model alot of LIRs
> > from other RIRs moved to ripe,
>
> That argument wasn't made by me.  I never actually did comparisons with
> other RIRs, just pointed out factual incorrectnesses (like "you cannot
> have space from RIR A and use it in RIR B region").
>
> > It has nothing to do with personal attack, it has to do with because you
> > are instructing other LIR members for as per your words "over 25 years"
> to
> > implement IPv6, but you didn't implemented for over 25 years guess how
> much
> > 1.6%!
>
> I asked how you come to that conclusion, and you came back with "you
> are not doing IPv6 deployment", which is, well, no idea how to respond
> to that.  I explained why Geoff's measurement need to be carefully looked
> at (and that they had 100% in earlier times) but you are not interested,
> it seems.
>
> Gert Doering
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