[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)

Dear Lutz,

You shouldn't make assumptions about what other people or org have in mind.

I'm a small LIR, and I'm in contact with few other small LIRs. We didn't 
participate here either because we lack of time, because there are 
already nice propositions (having fees by IPv4 looks nice for the small 
LIR), or because some are looking for migrate to an other RIR or merge 
with an other LIR.

Not sending an email in any discussions here doesn't mean having no 
interrest in them and not following them.

Kind regards,
Alexandre

Le 23/04/2024 à 07:51, Lutz Donnerhacke a écrit :
> * Mihail Fedorov wrote:
>> With all the respect to RIPE Executive board, there is a problem. From the day first 2025 charging scheme draft was published - thread instantly got hundreds of responses clearly indicating just one thing - that proposed scheme is not ok. Majority (at least that’s what I see in members-discuss) of members raised their concerns and responded that they disagree with it.
>> [...]
>> Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that RIPE is members ruled structure. That’s what all RIPE learning PDFs say. You can not simply ignore everyone.
> 
> I'm sorry to step in here, but if you ask this way ...
> 
> The overwhelming majority of members did not respond at all. This means that they see no pressing problem with the current proposal.
> 
> We only see a - frankly - small group of members who are emphatically loud and repetitive. It seems to me that their motivation is to want to reduce the already low annual costs even further for their personal benefit.
> 
> In most countries, a fixed fee per member is typical for associations and cooperatives. That's why the controlling department of most companies has no problem with it. And this is precisely why all attempts in the past to switch to a resource-based fee have failed: You would have to explain the RIPE bill to the accounting department.
> 
> Resource-based fees were introduced to stimulate the return of AS numbers etc. that are no longer used. Again, the same reason: you have to explain this accounting item.
> 
> Lutz Donnerhacke
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