[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)

Hello 
I agree 
Must be option like last year 
No to budget increase 

Yuriy

> On 23 Apr 2024, at 16:41, Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net> wrote:
> 
> Fact - We have not been given the option to Reject all choices which is what I specifically reject.
> 
> NO Should absolutely be an option. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/23/24 8:38 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss wrote:
>> Gotta love theories vs facts
>>  
>> Fact: RIPE has around 20 thousand members
>> Fact : less than 100 of them have posted on this list in the month of April.
>> Fact: not all the under 100 members (or more specifically, people who are linked to members) are against the charging schemes proposed
>> Fact: this email won’t make any difference to the vocal minority who have issues with the charging schemes being proposed
>>  
>> Fact: the result will be decided based on actual votes cast next month
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Michele
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>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com> <mailto:nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2024 at 09:20
>> To: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de> <mailto:L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de>, 'Mihail Fedorov' <mihail at fedorov.net> <mailto:mihail at fedorov.net>
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>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)
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>> On Tue, 2024-04-23 at 05:51 +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:
>> > * Mihail Fedorov wrote:
>> > > With all the respect to RIPE Executive board, there is a problem.
>> > > From the day first 2025 charging scheme draft was published -
>> > > thread instantly got hundreds of responses clearly indicating just
>> > > one thing - that proposed scheme is not ok. Majority (at least
>> > > that’s what I see in members-discuss) of members raised their
>> > > concerns and responded that they disagree with it.
>> > > [...]
>> > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that RIPE is members ruled
>> > > structure. That’s what all RIPE learning PDFs say. You can not
>> > > simply ignore everyone.
>> >
>> > I'm sorry to step in here, but if you ask this way ...
>> >
>> > The overwhelming majority of members did not respond at all. This
>> > means that they see no pressing problem with the current proposal.
>> >
>> > We only see a - frankly - small group of members who are emphatically
>> > loud and repetitive. It seems to me that their motivation is to want
>> > to reduce the already low annual costs even further for their
>> > personal benefit.
>> Absolutely incorrect assumption (as it is already said).
>> For example there are many reasons why the LIR in Lebanon are silent
>> this maillist, but everyone I spoke with and who read mallist was
>> categorically outraged by the current situation.
>> >
>> > In most countries, a fixed fee per member is typical for associations
>> > and cooperatives. That's why the controlling department of most
>> > companies has no problem with it. And this is precisely why all
>> > attempts in the past to switch to a resource-based fee have failed:
>> It is failed only in RIPE, and it worked in ALL other RIR. And this
>> also food for thoughts, why it failed in RIPE.
>> Also RIPE is not golf club, it is kind of resource allocating non-
>> profit.
>> USB-IF, IEEE (mac address allocation), PCI-SIG(only one vid per member)
>> and many others do the same, there is always annual maintenance fee
>> which is dependent on size of allocated resources.
>> > You would have to explain the RIPE bill to the accounting department.
>> >
>> > Resource-based fees were introduced to stimulate the return of AS
>> > numbers etc. that are no longer used. Again, the same reason: you
>> > have to explain this accounting item.
>> >
>> > Lutz Donnerhacke
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