[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals

Flat equal fee for all members = Flat equal resource for all members

And that is duty of RIPE to ensure fair resource spread (In case of 
accepting options A,B,C in the proposed charging schemes, FAIR = EQUAL), 
no matter of any one member (LIR) request/wish. If we go with flat fee 
I/We (hope many of the other members too) will insist RIPE to do their 
RIR obligations.

The LIRs wich holds resources more than the limit of equal spreading, will 
have time to the 01.01.2025 to mark which of their resources are critical 
and to keep them for sure, if they do not inform RIPE in time, their most 
deagregated blocks to be transfered (preventing future deaggregation). The 
criteria of selecting donor and receiving LIRs _should_ be
1. Same country
2. Same region (two neighbor countries)
3. Wilder area but as much as close geographicaly one to other.

Because IRR and ROA records will be keep unchanged, the only IPV4 block[s] 
will be transfered from one LIR account to another and change in "mnt-by" 
attribute, internet connectivity of the donor LIR will not be disrupted. 
The two involved LIRs then can get in touch and make agreement/contract 
as they like. Because the equal resource spreading princip, receiving LIR 
can give to donating LIR the resources for temporary use (for rent or 
not - LIRs agreement), or up to a moment where one or two of the LIRs 
terminate the contract with RIPE NCC.

Of course if a company who wish to be 100% sure will safe its current 
resources, can open X new LIR account, pay sign up fee, and the Flat anual 
fee to cover RIPE NCC budget needs. And to transfer needed resources from 
its current LIR to the new one, without exceeded the current limits of 
equal resource spreading.


> especially as the NCC would need to reshuffle each time a new LIR opens 
> or an old one closes.

That is problem of RIPE staffs, or RIPE can hold in the pool resrouces for 
100 new requests for membership. And every 3/6 months ASK all LIRs to free 
apropriate resource for the new members (If the pool is empty)


> As there's basically no use case anymore to *need* a *16* bit ASN, and the
> distinction was already removed by the NCC, what's the purpose here?
> Furthermore, what's the reason to force people with a 32 bit ASN to 
> switch to a redistributed 16 bit one besides just causing a lot of work? 
> Especially if this would hit an IXP ...

My mistake I meant *16* bit ASNs, We must do it equal to all on 100%. with 
21570 LIRs and 25029 ASN delegated to RIPE from IANA, we will be fine, 
each member can hold 1 x 16bit ASN , Also there is enough for the IXPs I 
hope.




Finally If you dont like such fair/equal scenario (RIPE NCC will be 
obliged to apply it with flat equal fee for all LIRs = flat equal 
resource spread to all LIRs), forget your momentary personal interests 
and "happiness", and lets we all constructively work out and 
reach a consnsus and _VOTE_ to use a fair and long term sustainable fee 
scheme for at least the next 10 years wich will cover the RIPE NCC budget 
and guarantee predictable and stable bussiness climate to ALL !




Ivaylo Josifov
VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
+359 52 969393
Varna, Bulgaria


>> -----Original Message-----
>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Re: Re: [ncc-announce] 
>> [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals
>> 
>> 
>> On 12.04.2024 14:02, ivaylo wrote:
>>>
>>>>  From IANA documents signed and agreed from RIPE:
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>> 4) Neutrality and impartiality in relation to all interested parties,
>>> and particularly the LIRs
>>> 
>>> All organisations that receive service from the new RIR must be
>>> treated equally. The policies and guidelines proposed and implemented
>>> by the RIR need to ensure fair distribution of resources, and
>>> impartial treatment of the members/requestors.
>>> 
>>> The new RIR should be established as an independent, not-for-profit
>>> and open membership association.
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----
>>> 
>>> As some of you mentioned bigger part of the members are "happy" with
>>> the current charging scheme. Also seems we can not agree for charging
>>> scheme based on resources the member hold. Then logicaly we have an other 
>>> option:
>>> 
>>> Let then RIPE do same with the resources ! Allocate absolutely equal
>>> number of resources to each of the LIR members ! Because there is
>>> shortage for IPV4, deallocate them from members who hold more ! For
>>> IPV6 just release new networks for simplification. For 32 bit ASNs
>>> give the current holders 1 year to free them, and then redistribute
>>> again equal number to each LIR.
>>> 
>>> To avoid disruption of the internet work, during the
>>> deallocation/allocation keep the IRR and ROA object same. And then
>>> separate we LIRs will make each to each contracts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ivaylo Josifov
>>> VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
>>> +359 52 969393
>>> Varna, Bulgaria
>>> 
>>>