[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals

Dear Tobias!

Just because something was presented in fall, does not mean there was an 
active way to say yes or no to it.  Regardless of how you argue it.

Sure, there is always the option of remvoing the whole board if you can 
motivate enough members for it. However it also cant be the case to 
cause the maximum amount of chaos by throwing out the board anytime 
there needs to be improvement to a budget... So that option is pure 
nonsense.


If you plan on making the arugment "but in the past members wanted X", 
this does not mean that members should be prevented from changing their 
mind on a topic. Or that members may not want something different in the 
future.

 >wich direction the members wanted.

Evendientally if you look at this discussion and the ones i see going on 
via other channels, this is a misunderstanding on your part.

 >no 'per resource' charging scheme, if I remember correctly.

Just because for one year, members opted not do do tesource based (by 
vote) does not mean that there may not be any resource based models in 
the future.

> I see you misunderstood the point.

All i see is one LIR/member suggesting to another LIR/member (wich has 
the same rights/voting power/.....): I dont think it makes sense for 
you, you should really just pay me instead of being a member.

I dont think any of us get to make the judgement of what is the right 
reason/model/buisness type to be a ripe member. If all the members are 
equal with regard to the ncc, then we also have to accept tat there are 
different viewpoints that do not nessecarily allign with ours. As such, 
If enough people now want Y instead of X like it was in the past, then 
this is a completely legimate thing.

On 4/12/24 10:51 AM, Tobias Fiebig via members-discuss wrote:
> On Fri, 2024-04-12 at 10:30 +0200, Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf wrote:
>> The point of "ordering the cake" is not applicable. Just ask yourself
>> "when was there a vote, on the draft budget"? ...Over the last few
>> years at least, i belive there was none.
> - Spring meeting:
> 	- Adoption of the previous financial report
> 	- Discharge of the board
>
> - Fall meeting:
> 	- Presentation Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget
>
> The membership has any possibility to vote for changes to the board or
> to not dismiss them. We never did.
>
>> Did they ask for feedback: Yes, but looking at the feedback from last
>> years vote on the fee shedule, and so on, i do belive it was clear
>> wich direction the members wanted.
> Yes, no 'per resource' charging scheme, if I remember correctly.
>
>> I do undestand you feel the need to protect your own interests in
>> this disucussion.
> I am curious, what are 'my own interests'?
>
>> And based on your writing i see that you are trying find
>> new business cases for your LIR ventures. Wich is all fine. But as
>> shown above the cake argument is week. Especially in the context of
>> there being no direct mechanism to adopt/reject a budget by vote.
> I see you misunderstood the point. The point was not me "generating new
> business cases" for my "LIR ventures", instead it was: "You do not need
> to pick the RIPE cake. You can get whatever bite you fancy elsewhere."
>
> With best regards,
> Tobias
>
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