[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Good day, colleagues.

I also did not understand how to correctly perform the calculation for 
our LIR.
We have few resources of our own, but we are a sponsor for several dozen 
objects. How is the calculation performed in this case?

16.03.2023 16:06, Dmitry Kohmanyuk пише:
>
> Good afternoon, my fellow members!
>
>
> I represent Hostmaster LLC, a Ukrainian domain registry. We are 
> operating in Ukraine and abroad, using dedicated servers to support 
> our infrastructure. We are 21 years old. Back in 2001, we self-funded 
> our operations, and never took a loan or donation.Resource-wise, we 
> have got our /21 PA, our pre-runout /21, two /24 PI of 20th century 
> style IP blocks (those were our start-up resources), and /48 and /32 
> of contemporary century IP, plus two AS numbers; we also sponsor a 
> couple of small projects with their small allocations.
>
>
> Both proposed schemes would raise our fees, to exactly the same 2200 
> EUR.While we can afford them I cannot consider our organization 
> large.Since the latest escalation of the bloody war by the russian 
> federation in 2022 we have had to double our network footprint to be 
> disaster-proof. We aren't making more money either as currency had 
> lost 25% to the euro. We had to spend some money on generator fuel for 
> our office and high-capacity batteries for staff and to shut down 
> equipment in cities under enemy fire.
>
>
> I can imagine many Ukrainian ISPs, hosting, and cloud providers in a 
> similar situation, or a company in Turkey can be similarly affected by 
> currency depreciation.
>
>
> Speaking of the second option, consider an idea of a "variable" ipv4 
> charge to be impossible to implement correctly.With a cap we are 
> giving an advantage to large organizations; without it, we may risk 
> some of them going to migrate to other RIRs thus significantly 
> impacting NCC revenue. We had decided this once; we seek ipv6 adoption 
> making everyone request appropriate block at once; what going back in 
> time is going to do? If we are so concerned about merging extra LIR 
> accounts we can make it cost more.
>
>
> I propose to vote no on both options, thus keeping the current flat 
> fee while adjusting it as the economic situation changes.
>
>
> I am also specifically against:
>
>  1. including sponsored resources into category sizing while charging
>     for them by their count, as it is double dipping into member pockets;
>  2. charging for AS number, own or sponsored, as those are plentiful;
>  3. making use of IPv6 charging categories, for the next decade, as we
>     are still dealing with dual stack world. ARIN made the mistake of
>     charging more for dual-stack members, thus discouraging IPv6
>     adoption; they later "fixed" it by allowing cheaper /36 allocations;
>  4. making any fees for changing a sponsor (I am thinking of
>     everything a fee can be added to, possibly.)
>
>
> Looking at the proposed budget of 40 million euros and way over twenty 
> thousand LIR accounts (forecasting a 10% drop of them due to mergers 
> and some reserve for non-paying members) an equal member fee would be 
> under 2000€. The vast reserves of NCC should allow for softening the 
> blow of the economic downturn, and dozens of proposed cost-cutting 
> measures (staff headcount, office location, travel, donations to 
> external parties, free member events, and others.)
>
>
> I also see a meeting fee is up 14% already.
>
> assuming some people only get reimbursed after the trip happens, and a 
> lot of attendees not paying their bill two months earlier.
>
>
> May I suggest an NCC tip field instead on the annual invoice: this 
> would allow members who feel they benefit a lot but pay too little to 
> contribute more but on their own will.
>
>
> On a serious note I would like us all to come to agreement on a 
> formula that is just and fair.  Judging on amount of critique on the 
> list, we do not have this, yet.
>
> -- dk at hostmaster.ua
>
>
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