[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

I don't find it fair that I have to pay the same membership fee for single
/24, as others for a /22 or larger allocations. Just because we were late
for the party and could not afford it earlier giving us the short end of
the stick is not ok.

Meanwhile I'm getting offers for IPV4 on all of the mailing lists. If they
are selling them then they do not need them and those need to be returned
to the RIPE pool for reallocation or have them pay for it.

Also, how are we on the IPv6 adoption? It just baffles me that I'm still
unable to turn of IPV4 and visit everything. How come one of the biggest
German ISPs has their website available only over IPv4? Why does Sony still
not have full IPv6 support for the PS5 and its network? How long is the
transition going to take? 100 years?

Push for IPv6 and then the whole issue of having to pay too much for that
fat stash of IPv4 becomes a moot point.

Model 2 lowers my fee from 1500 euros to 600, good for me. If we vote for
the Model 2 many smaller ISPs might also decide to join, the entry fee of
3050 euros was a tough pill to swallow.


On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 at 15:43, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via
members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:

> Just because an entity has more IP addresses does not mean that they have
> more money at their disposal.
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> Sure – there are **some** big companies that have huge IP allocations,
> but there are also a lot of entities that have fairly large IP blocks but
> who aren’t awash with cash.
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> Charging more for companies owns more resources is greatly fair because
> they have LOTbigger incomes that simple /22 company.
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> Another positive effect would be freeing ipv4 resources by such companies
> (to reduce ripe costs), which grabbed lot of /16 years back, and their
> penetration of such blocks is not great often. They should reanalyze their
> ipv4 resources, implement cgnat when possible, and free as much as they
> can, or pay.
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> So RIPE budget would be better balanced, fees would be more fair (300e per
> account), and bigger companies would think about freeing their resources
> and putting them back onto ripe pool, for companies need them really.
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> This is something we everyone should push and proceed, though preferable
> marketing actions towards all ripe members may be needed.
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> Another option is surely to cut stupid costs... cmon maintaining finite
> database consuming so much money? Traveling?
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> Some kind of REVOLUTION should be organized by us.
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> Something should be done to activize passive members.
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> W dniu 9 mar 2023, o 14:56, użytkownik ivaylo <ivaylo at bglans.net>
> napisał:
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> Hello,
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> Nor scheme 1 nor scheme 2 are good and fair. Scheme 2 is litle step in the
> right direction but still far from from what must be.
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> By IANA public documents delegated resources to RIPE are:
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> 688128    IPV4 /22 blocks
> 2131972   IPV6 /32 blocks
> 42882     ASN
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> By official data RIPE LIRs are 22500
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> If constant yearly fee for each LIR is 300 euro, and charge 15 EURO for
> each block and ASN the LIRs holds (on /22 IPV4, /32 IPV6, and 1 ASN)
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> RIPE will collect:
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> 22500 * 300                   =  6 750 000 EURO
> (688128+2131972+42882)*15     = 42 944 730 EURO
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> SUM: 49 694 730 EURO (nearly 50 milions)
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> Which seems more than enough RIPE to function normally !
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> On yearly basis RIPE can revisit member taxes depending if are collected
> more or less money and to ask for increase of constant LIR taxes (300 euro)
> or to return back money to LIRs (as RIPE done it up to 2021)
>
> That will be fair charging scheme for me. As more resources you hold, as
> bigger your organisation is, as more you have to pay.
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> Ivaylo Josifov
> VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
> Varna, Bulgaria
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