[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Hi,
I always liked math so after reading this whole topic I decided to do some.
I reviewed Ivaylo calculations and adjusted them to simply divide RIPE budget of 40mil and divided it by RIPE operated/owned IP space size and I came to price of 0,06EUR per IPv4 address (which is very little compared to fees for static IP space that most of the big telecoms charge).
Thus according to this calculations to evenly contribute to RIPE budget:
my small LIR announcing 3072 IPv4 addresses should be paying 184,32 EUR

Daniel Pearsons (hoarding - as was called by Josh Jameson ) LIR should be paying 4024,32 EUR

Josh Jameson's AS60751 should be paying 107,52 EUR

Deutsche Telecom AS3320 (assuming that all of its announced IPv4 space belongs to RIPE region) according to bgp.he.net announces 34 109 952 IPv4 address thus should contribute 2 046 597,12 EUR

Orange Poland AS5617 (that's not their only one ASN :wink wink:) according to bgp.he.net announces 5 510 400 IPv4 addresses thus should contribute 330 624 EUR

I can go on like this for a while about another organizations, but I hope you get the picture, that argumentation that financial incentives will help IPv4 recycling is complete SCAM AND LIE.
Furthermore let's make another calculation. In Poland average price per ISP service is about 12 EUR per month which adds up to 144 EUR per year. So I can make 442 368 EUR per year out of this IPv4 space. Thus in model 1 and 2 my prognosed current fee of 2050 EUR is about 0,4% of my yearly revenue. Let's take as example Deutsche Telekom, which according to random google search last year [1] had revenue of about 114 400 000 000 EUR. We can easily calculate that their current fee of 2050 EUR (assuming only their ASN in model 1) is 1,79e-6 % of their revenue. That's over 200 000 times less. Even with my previously calculated 2 046 496,12 EUR fee that is only 0,001% of their revenue. Now it would be only 20 times smaller revenue percentage.
Regardless of this offtopic analysis, I really want to put stress on three points:
Calling any of these charging models fair and aimed at helping recycling IPv4 is outrageous insult and lie.

I hope that finally we as community realise that RIPE funding scheme heavily favours big resource holders and this need to change.

Only sustainable solution for IPv4 address space usage is to finally move to IPv6 where resources is enough for everyone everytime .

Best regards,
Lukasz Jarosz

[1] https://www.telekom.com/en/investor-relations/publications/financial-results/financial-results-2022

On mar 9 2023, at 3:38 pm, Kaj Niemi <kajtzu at basen.net> wrote:
> Considering the 2023 budget [1, page 6] is a round 40M EUR, you are willing to add 9.6M EUR extra just like that?
>
>
> Kaj
>
> [1] https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-786.pdf
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Hello,
> Nor scheme 1 nor scheme 2 are good and fair. Scheme 2 is litle step in the
> right direction but still far from from what must be.
>
> By IANA public documents delegated resources to RIPE are:
> 688128 IPV4 /22 blocks
> 2131972 IPV6 /32 blocks
> 42882 ASN
>
> By official data RIPE LIRs are 22500
> If constant yearly fee for each LIR is 300 euro, and charge 15 EURO for
> each block and ASN the LIRs holds (on /22 IPV4, /32 IPV6, and 1 ASN)
>
> RIPE will collect:
> 22500 * 300 = 6 750 000 EURO
> (688128+2131972+42882)*15 = 42 944 730 EURO
>
> SUM: 49 694 730 EURO (nearly 50 milions)
> Which seems more than enough RIPE to function normally !
> On yearly basis RIPE can revisit member taxes depending if are collected
> more or less money and to ask for increase of constant LIR taxes (300 euro)
> or to return back money to LIRs (as RIPE done it up to 2021)
>
> That will be fair charging scheme for me. As more resources you hold, as
> bigger your organisation is, as more you have to pay.
>
>
> Ivaylo Josifov
> VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
> Varna, Bulgaria
>
>
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