[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024

Hi everyone, 

I am a very small LIR (one-men-company), 2022 invoice was the highest I have ever received appart from joining fee. With just one IPv4 /22 and one IPv6 Standard assignment and one 16bit ASN this is the minimum you can get to run something. 

The RIPE invoice is my biggest cost of the year and I would not be able to afford any more higher membership fees in the next years (But for sure this is my personal problem and business issue)

I support the following activities (some of them were already mentioned in different emails so far):

- Bring RIPE Operations costs down extremely and concentrate on core objectives (Registry Function) - it cannot be that RIPE gets bigger and bigger overtime and market goes in complete different direction - the money of members need to be honored and investments made to the important functions.
- RIPE membership costs should be paid based on assigned resources, calculation from Ivaylo already looks very viable. Small LIRs need to pay less (~500 €) and bigger LIRs more. There should NOT be a maximum fee. A Base fee is viable that still would suite the small LIRs. 
- Overhead of membership fees should be reduced in next years similar as the surplus in the past
- there should be no FREE resources, this means also the ASN, and like in my case the first minimum assignments must be paid to avoid opening of LIRs just to get reduced membership fees. 
- LIRs that give back IPv4 blocks should get an incentive (what this exactly mean can be discussed)

Thats just my 2 cents on this dicussion. 

Michael  
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. März 2023 15:38
An: ivaylo <ivaylo at bglans.net>; members-discuss at ripe.net
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC
Charging Scheme 2024

Considering the 2023 budget [1, page 6] is a round 40M EUR, you are willing
to add 9.6M EUR extra just like that?


Kaj


[1] https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-786.pdf


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Charging Scheme 2024

Hello,

Nor scheme 1 nor scheme 2 are good and fair. Scheme 2 is litle step in the
right direction but still far from from what must be.

By IANA public documents delegated resources to RIPE are:

688128    IPV4 /22 blocks
2131972   IPV6 /32 blocks
42882     ASN

By official data RIPE LIRs are 22500

If constant yearly fee for each LIR is 300 euro, and charge 15 EURO for each
block and ASN the LIRs holds (on /22 IPV4, /32 IPV6, and 1 ASN)

RIPE will collect:

22500 * 300                   =  6 750 000 EURO
(688128+2131972+42882)*15     = 42 944 730 EURO

SUM: 49 694 730 EURO (nearly 50 milions)

Which seems more than enough RIPE to function normally !

On yearly basis RIPE can revisit member taxes depending if are collected
more or less money and to ask for increase of constant LIR taxes (300 euro)
or to return back money to LIRs (as RIPE done it up to 2021)

That will be fair charging scheme for me. As more resources you hold, as
bigger your organisation is, as more you have to pay.


Ivaylo Josifov
VarnaIX / Varteh LTD
Varna, Bulgaria



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