[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024

I'd like to also say that I think the idea of having model A based on 
the number of resources used, instead of fixed categories, would be 
better. It would help encourage unused resources to be transferred or 
returned.

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Regards,
Paul Lewis.

On 2023-04-13 19:02, cowmedia.de wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> 
> by reading this email and checking the calculator again I have the 
> feeling
> that the "listening to the members" as you say was not happening. A 
> majority
> of the members want a usage based charging scheme (as per the 
> discussions on
> this mailing list) and this is completely not reflected. Just adding 
> some
> more categories with the highest still only arround 10K is not 
> sufficient.
> 
> Also what I do not understand is that my personal account with more or 
> less
> one of the lowest resources you can get is already in Category 2?!?
> 
> I can just repeat what I have already done:
> 
> It should be billed by real resources used and directly calculated not
> within categories
> Smaller LIRs should pay less and bigger LIRs should pay more
> It is important that there is an incentive to get rid of unused 
> resources
> and bring them back, this is only possible when you pay for every 
> resource
> separate, otherwise no-one will take care.
> 
> I think this 3 models are not ready for vote and need to be revised.
> Also Model 3 I completely do not understand. Why should someone pay for
> transfers? This just means changes are going on and something happens. 
> Why
> these companies should then pay more? The "bad" companies are the ones 
> that
> do not implement IPv6 and their development just stall so nothing 
> happens.
> 
> Michael
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2023, at 09:45, Simon-Jan Haytink <simonjh at ripe.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear RIPE NCC members,
>> 
>> I want to thank all those who contributed to the consultation so far 
>> on
> the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 and the model we should use for the 
> coming
> years.
> 
>> We can now share three draft models that we developed based on input 
>> from
> the members on the Members Discuss mailing list and in the Charging 
> Scheme
> Open House, as well as from the discussions at the recent Executive 
> Board
> Meeting.
> 
>> The result is that we are proposing three draft charging scheme 
>> models:
> one category-based and two that are based on the previous "one LIR 
> account,
> one fee" model. We hope to receive feedback on these models by 19 April 
> so
> the Executive Board can propose the final versions on 26 April. The 
> members
> will then vote on those three models at the upcoming General Meeting on
> 24-26 May.
> 
>> The three models all aim to fulfil a budget that is roughly the same 
>> as
> 2023 plus general cost increases including inflation, so EUR 42-45 
> million.
> By doing this, we can ensure that we can meet the potential budgetary
> requirements for 2024 while retaining the option for members to 
> redistribute
> any excess contributions should we receive excess funds. The Activity 
> Plan
> and Budget will be discussed with members this coming Autumn.
> 
>> The three models are available to review at:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha
> rging-scheme-2024-consultation
> 
>> We also provide an updated calculator where members can see for 
>> themselves
> how much they might pay under the draft 
> models:https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/new
> -calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx
> 
>> To summarise the main features of the three models:
>> 
>> Model A - Category Model
>> 
>> This model has ten categories to provide greater granularity. It also
> charges separately for independent and legacy resources in exactly the 
> same
> way as in previous years. Additionally, a separate 50 EUR ASN 
> assignment fee
> has been added. Both separately charged resources do not contribute to 
> the
> category scores. This means there is no double charging and no specific
> charging for transfers or administrative work carried out by the RIPE 
> NCC.
> There is a New /24 IPv4 administration fee to ensure there is a 
> financial
> consequence to joining the IPv4 Waiting List. The fee would be payable 
> upon
> receipt of the /24, and members joining the waiting list who do not 
> have an
> eligible LIR account, would pay the new LIR sign-up fee to open a new 
> LIR
> account and join the waiting list.
> 
>> With this model, approximately 68% of members would pay less than the
> current annual fee, with the remaining 32% paying more.
> 
>> The discussion with members helped us to see that a category-based 
>> model
> would receive significant support from members if the version was
> simplified. Should members see the need to charge for other elements, 
> then
> that can be incorporated into the category model in the coming years. 
> Any
> such additional charges could potentially then reduce the fees per 
> category.
> 
>> Model B - Price increase and ASN fee
>> 
>> This model is the exact same as in the previous ten years, but there 
>> is a
> price increase of EUR 150 and a 50 EUR ASN fee to ensure we can meet 
> our
> budgetary requirements while retaining the option for members to
> redistribute any excess contribution should we receive excess funds.
> 
>> Model C - Transfer fee and ASN fee
>> 
>> This model is the exact same as in the previous ten years, but there 
>> is a
> charge of EUR 1,000 per transfer to be paid by the receiving party and 
> a 50
> EUR ASN fee to ensure we can meet our budgetary requirements while 
> retaining
> the option for members to redistribute any excess contribution should 
> we
> receive excess funds.
> 
>> Further information on the charging scheme models is provided at:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha
> rging-scheme-2024-consultation/
> 
>> The RIPE NCC Executive Board believes that a category-based model is 
>> the
> best option to help address uncertainty that might be caused by
> consolidation with multiple LIRs and to provide greater flexibility and
> fairness in how we charge members in the coming years.
> 
>> On 26 April, the final versions of the charging schemes that members 
>> will
> vote on will be published for the members to consider and discuss. If 
> you
> have comments on the draft charging schemes, we therefore ask you to 
> comment
> on the members-discuss mailing list by 19 April so we have time to
> incorporate any feedback if necessary.
> 
>> Importantly, we ask all members to register for the RIPE NCC General
> Meeting where the final decision will be in your hands. Register to
> participate and vote at:
> 
>> https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active
>> 
>> Simon-Jan Haytink
>> Chief Financial Officer
>> RIPE NCC
> 
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