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Terrence Koeman
terrence at darkness-reigns.com
Tue Mar 3 04:46:54 CET 2020
Hi Elvis, What specific "SLA" are you referring to? -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of > Elvis Daniel Velea > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 3:59 AM > To: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] About transfer policies > > Hi, > > it's funny how the outcome of a transfer request depends so much on > which IPRA is handling that request. > > We've had numerous tickets with the RIPE NCC and I can confirm that the > outcome of a request/ticket depends a lot on which IPRA is responding, > whether the weather was nice that morning or whether the IPRA had a good > breakfast :) > > I've been complaining to the RIPE NCC RS management team for more than a > decade about inconsistencies in the department (even when I was working > there as an IPRA, up to 8 years ago) and I am not sure that anything can > be done.. Some people will follow the procedure to the letter and > further, some will be more lenient. > > The SLA was very important about 10 years when I was working there - > every message was supposed to receive a reply within 24 hours. Now that > doesn't seem to matter any more, I don't even know if the NCC still has > an SLA. > > Every time I did not like an answer or the delay of a ticket without an > actual reason, I've replied to the IPRA and CCed the manager of the > department. Most of the times, my request has received an answer from a > manager or a swift resolution from the IPRA. > > I used to get the contact details of the managers from the RIPE website, > but it seems that one is not maintained at all any longer (I've seen > managers there that have not been working for the NCC for 6-12 or even > more months). I contacted Fergal about this issue and i hope they are > working on updating their staff pages (too bad that most managers e-mail > addresses are no longer public so you can not actually CC them in a > ticket any longer). > > To also address your peculiar issue, it would be very simple to ask a > lawyer or someone that handles registration of Ukrainian companies what > that line means and forward the answer to the RIPE NCC. Or wait for the > RIPE NCC to get that answer directly... however, it is strange that with > a few Ukrainian employees in house (and hundreds if not thousands of > Ukrainian registration documents processed over the years) the RIPE NCC > has decided to contact the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice to request > clarification in this case. > > my 2 cents, > > elvis > > On 3/2/20 18:11, Dmitry P wrote: > > Hello, > > > > we are in some weird situation with transfering out an IP range and RIPE > > doesn't provide any answers to our questions, the transfer is suspended > > for a very weird reason and we are out of options; I would like to hear > > other members opinions on that subject with a hope of seeking some > > answers that RIPE didn't provide after numerous attempts. > > > > Our company's extracts are created by Ukraine's Ministry of Justice and > > have a specific line near the director field which says '(не має)' right > > after mentioning the director's name, which means "(doesn't have)" from > > Ukrainian. > > ПОЧТАРЬОВ ДМИТРО ОЛЕГОВИЧ - керівник з 25.05.2016 (не має); > > > > We had this line on all our extracts since the company was opened and > > RIPE has a) accepted us as a member by reviewing those extracts b) > > approved numerous in and out transfers with those extracts since 2016 > > c) recently approved a transfer out about 2 weeks ago using the extract > > with the same line. > > > > 4 days ago we have requested another transfer and a RIPE rep. has asked > > us to clarify about what '(не має)' means in our extract. We have no > > clue what it means exactly and never interested because it was present > > since a first extract, also because RIPE has never questioned it before, > > and as I have mentioned, all the previous extracts came with that line. > > > > We don't have a clue of what it means and the RIPE's rep. decided to > > suspend the transfer and make a request to Ukraine's Ministry of > > Justice, which was very unexpected decision from our point of view. > > She told us that "Though we process tens of requests of Ukrainian > > companies every day, it's first time that we see such a record. It's not > > entirely clear what it means and what you as a Director "do not have".", > > to which I responded it's a false statement, because RIPE certainly HAS > > SEEN this line before, at least because my company have performed many > > transfers and requests with RIPE, which have been approved using same > > extracts. In this case, she talked about her own experience in the name > > of RIPE, which already was not very professional. > > > > So I obviously asked why does some her or RIPE's unawareness in > > Ukraine's legislation should concern us, to what I got no answer at all. > > Are we really responsible for RIPE's lack of knowledge on some subject? > > Our company is active and the extracts are all valid on the min. justice > > site, also the signee of the T.A. corresponds to the director name - > > this all makes us compliant to the RIPE's rules and policies, which, we > > believe should have made this transfer complete already. > > > > Notwithstanding our expectations, RIPE didn't provide any answer to our > > questions and also didn't tell why this specific matter should concern > > this specific transfer, since there were already approved transfers > > using same extract. Now we must wait about 2 or 3 weeks until the Min. > > of Justice responds them to clarify this, which made us very > > disappointed, since we still do not understand why this case affects our > > transfer at all. > > > > This is very frustrating and we have no more choices but hearing other > > members opinions and suggestions, if any. Doesn't it look like RIPE is > > very contradictory to its own policies in this case? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members- > discuss/elvis%40v4escrow.net > > -- > Elvis Daniel Velea > V4Escrow LLC > Chief Executive Officer > E-mail: elvis at v4escrow.net > Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921 > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members- > discuss/terrence%40darkness-reigns.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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