[members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

Dear Fellow Members,
                                                            Please give me a little of your time and read what I have to say.
This is my first or second email and I have no axe to grind with anyone as far as I know.
I always check back my Friday emails every Monday morning because I deal with people worldwide, this abomination first appeared in my inbox at 09:44 on Friday.

Standing back I would say that this email chain shows up a number of deficiencies

  *   We cannot allow Anti-Semitism in any form.
  *   We need some kind of policing of this group email to stop abuse in whatever form it happens.
  *   We need a mechanism that actually takes up accusations and claims because this group is losing relevance because of it.
  *   In the same way we need someone or some people to investigate at a high level and to be able to instigate a full investigation where it is deemed necessary.
  *   It does seem that this group has nobody in control at the present time because I for one would have put a stop to this after a couple of emails. It is not difficult to do.
  *   In short this group need to become relevant again.

I propose the following is investigated ASAP and we need a report back within 30 days:

  1.  Accusations of Anti-Semitism
  2.  Accusations against Spamhaus.

I am lucky being English because English is my native language, it is complicated so I understand misunderstandings can easily happen. We need to treat this like COVID-19 and self-isolate and return in a better condition than we are now.

Regards

Chris Izzard
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From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of TNC - Alessandro Morreale
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 13:02
To: members-discuss at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails


Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation?

It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work and, to be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two days it's really too much

thanks fof your comprehension
Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha scritto:
Hi Elad,

There are 3 major differences I see here,

1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the documents)
Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not).

2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is dumb.

3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in its entirety below.

> START

Michael,



Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of.



Respectfully,

Elad
> END

Please just stop it Elad.

Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at all the same thing in my eyes.

- Cynthia

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io<mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.html

These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real people behind "The Spamhaus Project"

You can see how he is calling me there

Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community.

Respectfully,
Elad
________________________________
From: Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re<mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM
To: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io<mailto:elad at netstyle.io>>
Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.

- Cynthia

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io<mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?

Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.

Respectfully,
Elad
________________________________
From: Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re<mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM
To: Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io<mailto:elad at netstyle.io>>
Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it have anything to do with it either.

And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar.
Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.

- Cynthia

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io<mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
Cynthia,

The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a  racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.

In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.

Respectfully,
Elad
________________________________
From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re<mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM
To: Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md at c4inet.net>>
Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

> The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"
on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
responsibility.

AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.

I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs.
Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.

> If I'm wrong, where do
I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
community?

There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit.
Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.

- Cynthia

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net<mailto:ripe-md at c4inet.net>> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
>I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting
>with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant
>disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in
>the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the
>RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove
>those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.

The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"
on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can
be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do
I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
community?
I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet
seen in this thread.

rgds,
Sascha Luck

>
>- Cynthia

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