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[members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer
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NOC
noc at mega-net.ru
Fri Nov 29 14:36:40 CET 2019
Well, if you're so picky about words... OK, not "nobody", rephrase to "Very few". What is RIPE ? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE > *Réseaux IP Européens* (*RIPE*, French > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language> for "European IP > Networks") is a *forum open to all *parties with an interest in the > technical development of the Internet > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet>. The*RIPE community*’s > objective is to ensure that the administrative and technical > coordination necessary to maintain and develop the Internet continues. So, it`s all of us. And so anyone, who don`t agree or wants to change something goes to RIPE meeting and tell it there. Can I ask ? Anyone who wrote "+1" and/or "I agree" in previous letters, was on RIPE`s meeting ? I think the answer will be "NO". All I want to say is that there is a reason why RIPE made such a decision. And if it was adopted in this way, then no one suggested a different way. P.S. > We have received a request from 185.141.5.88 for the removal of your > email address, "noc at mega-net.ru" from the members-discuss at ripe.net Very funny. Good luck o you 185.141.5.88. С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards, Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev On 29.11.2019 15:57, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: > > I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources > which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past. > > And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e. by > revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party. > > > > *Von:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *Im Auftrag > von *NOC > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 29. November 2019 13:50 > *An:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer > > > > Hello, > > At the past it was the main idea, that if you don`t use IP`s you > return them back to RIPE. > But, in such case, NOBODY return IP`s back. > Everyone thinks "we can use them later" OR "what we will do if we need > IP`s later and we already returned them". > Especially now, when no IP`s avail anymore. Who will return ? Ofc NOBODY. > > I think that it`s the MAIN REASON why RIPE permit selling when IPv4 is > over. > Bc now, at least somehow, organizations, who need IP`s can receive > them. It's better than nothing. > > I DON`T tell that I`am not agree with you. I AGREE with you, bc I also > don`t like situation with selling. > But I just can understand RIPE`s decision. > > Think about it. > > > -- > С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards, > Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev > > > > On 29.11.2019 14:35, noc wrote: > > It's been a while that I am reading the messages and not answering. > > But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. > > > > Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell something that they > don't own. > > > > You guys should put something on your heads: the ips don't belong > to you. They are NOT yours! > > The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range for you to use. > > > > The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to make profit. It > was created to transfer ips between LIRs that need IPs and LIRs > that don't need IPs. > > > > I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN, etc...". You > don't sell them. You can't sell something that don't belong to > you. Don't you? > > > > This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. > > In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be > taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy. > > > > > > -------- Mensagem original -------- > > De : Stuart Willet <stu at safehosts.co.uk> <mailto:stu at safehosts.co.uk> > > Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00) > > Para: Kseniya Sokol <ksyu at netassist.ua> > <mailto:ksyu at netassist.ua>, members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer > > > > Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members > discuss mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand > tactics of people just like you? > > I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen > is decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and > taken over by Spamy IPv4 brokers. > > Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a > proverbial drink up in a brewery. > > /me left > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol > Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28 > To: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer > > Hi > So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as > you start to condemned in discussion > "RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers" > We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high. > > Regards, > > 29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет: > > Hi guys, > > > > An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for > immediate transfer. > > Please let me know if you are interested in. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano > <info at pabloserrano.net <mailto:info at pabloserrano.net> > > <mailto:info at pabloserrano.net> <mailto:info at pabloserrano.net>> > wrote: > > > > 50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF! > > > > Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32: > > > :)) > > > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per address :) > > > Anti-BF ! > > > > > > > > >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru <suport at bunea.eu > <mailto:suport at bunea.eu> > > <mailto:suport at bunea.eu> <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> написал(а): > > >> > > >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse Black Friday. > > Maybe a first in BF history. > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov > <kaa at net-art.cz <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz> > > <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz> <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d list! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel Giner > <jm at ginernet.com <mailto:jm at ginernet.com> > > <mailto:jm at ginernet.com> <mailto:jm at ginernet.com>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello, > > >>>> > > >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer) a /22, > > >>>> > > >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us with a special price, > > please contact me with the proposal details. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> José Manuel Giner > > >>>> https://ginernet.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> members-discuss mailing list > > >>>> members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > >>>> https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > >>>> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/kaa%40net-art.cz > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> members-discuss mailing list > > >>> members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > >>> https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > >>> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> members-discuss mailing list > > >> members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > >> https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nikolay.gorstkin%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > members-discuss at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40pabloser > > rano.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aidinsystem%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ksyu%40netassis > > t.ua > > > > -- > С уважением, Ксения Сокол > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stu%40safehosts.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40mega-net.ru > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40mega-net.ru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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