[members-discuss] [LIR] Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers

Perhaps we should be focussing our efforts on IPv6?


All the best,

Stuart

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 08:47, Dave Benwell via members-discuss <
members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:

> My stance on this is below.
>
> Why should a private company be allowed to make profit on public IP Space.
>
> Even the UK Government sells its IP Space to private companies for Profit
> (Public selling Public IP Space to private companies is a JOKE
>
> Remember, IP Space is not owned by the LIR but allocated by Ripe. So how
> and why is it allowed by a LIR to sell something that is not owned by them?
>
> If a LIR no longer needs IP Space then return it to RIPE.
>
> This is why IPV4 ran out due to RIPEs poor management policy.
>
> IF I could vote no confidence in the ripe board for allowing such business
> to take place, I would vote now.
>
> I'll go rent a car park space shall I, be allocated a space and then go
> sell it for 500x the rent price.
>
> Members need to step up here and instead of saying this has been discussed
> before, get on and make this change or the same will happen with IPv6 in
> years to come.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf
> Of Carlos Friaças via members-discuss
> Sent: 27 November 2019 23:44
> To: Patrick Velder <lists at velder.li>
> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [LIR] Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by
> brokers
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't understand RIPE NCC's actions as "support", instead i see it as
> simple "acknowledgement".
>
> And in case you haven't noticed, "They" are also RIPE NCC members, some
> even several times... :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Carlos
>
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Patrick Velder wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar.
> > They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a
> > business which should not be supported by RIPE.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote:
> >> Me too.
> >>
> >> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no
> >> idea if this is fraud or not.
> >>
> >> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction
> >> of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source.
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme)
> >>
> >> CH: +41 71 511 722 0
> >> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54
> >> maxemilian.hilbrand at isicore.com
> >>
> >> isicore AG ? Unterlettenstrasse 14 ? CH-9443 Widnau Gerichtsstandort
> >> CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078
> >> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand
> >>
> >> www.isicore.com I  info at isicore.com
> >>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag
> >> von Netmaster
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03
> >> An: members-discuss at ripe.net
> >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by
> >> brokers
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> we also received the same mail today.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Stefan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Zentrale
> >> T +49 731 92013 - 0
> >> F +49 731 92013 - 290
> >> E info at scanplus.de
> >>
> >> scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus GmbH,
> >> Lise-Meitner-Str. 5-7, 89081 Ulm
> >> Geschäftsführung: Jürgen Hörmann, Andreas Werther
> >> Datenschutzbeauftragter: Thomas Dietrich scanplus GmbH, sp systemhaus
> >> GmbH sind zertifiziert nach DIN EN ISO 9001:2015, ISO/IEC 27001:2013,
> >> Data Center Category TIER 3, scanplus GmbH Amtsgericht Ulm HRB
> >> 3220,www.scanplus.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag
> >> von ds at schallert.com
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55
> >> An: members-discuss at ripe.net
> >> Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
> >>
> >> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also
> >> pulling contact data from
> >> https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ### BEGIN ###
> >>
> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------
> >> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact at jerseypride.org>
> >> To: xxxx
> >> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13
> >> Subject: Acquire IPv4
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this email finds you well.
> >>
> >> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease
> >> IPv4 addresses.
> >>
> >> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Alexandra Schurr
> >>
> >>
> >> You received this email because you subscribed at RIPE Database
> >> Webinar
> >>
> >> Unsubscribe
> >>
> >>
> >> ### END ###
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------
> >> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green at msu.ru>
> >> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas at fccn.pt>, members-discuss at ripe.net
> >> CC: exec-board at ripe.net
> >> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37
> >> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
> >> 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <
> members-discuss at ripe.net>:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have
> >>> signed a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is
> >>> inherently less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
> >>>> +1
> >>>>
> >>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it
> >>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the
> >>>> list is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules
> >>>> and penalties for breaking the rules.
> >> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker
> Agreement"
> >> link to it is available on the brokers list page:
> >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge
> >> rs/brokers
> >> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-merge
> >> rs/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker
> >> greement.doc
> >> But the Supplity is still there, despite:
> >> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC
> >> procedural documents ...
> >> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or
> >> create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC.
> >> 6. This agreement shall be terminated:
> >> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of
> >> their obligations as outlined in this agreement ...
> >>
> >> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its
> >> Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting
> >> e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE
> >> DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages.
> >>
> >> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks
> >> like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for
> >> zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about
> >> their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake
> >> Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason
> >> you find suitable). May be it will help.
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Are there any strict rules *today*?
> >>>
> >>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any)
> *today*?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Carlos
> >>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Sander
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