[members-discuss] Billing scheme

It is still not clear for me. "Annual" means "one calendar year from 
signing the contract", like annual fee for the domain name, or it means 
"till the end of this calendar year, up to the 31th of December"?

Where is it clearly defined?

09.01.19 11:32, Azer Karyagdy пише:
> Good idea from Terrence!
> PS. Most members understand that "annual" mean annual contract and can sign for such contract. But many people from ex-USSR prefer do not pay in advance for annual contract. They prefer pay month to month or at max - quaterly.
> 
> Best Regards
> Azer
> 
> ----- Исходное сообщение -----
>> Why would it be a "vast amount" of LIRs that have to quit? Why not a
>> few?
>>
>> Also, apparently my crystal ball is bigger, because I see option:
>>
>> 3)
>> -Members that can pay yearly will do so.
>> -New members will know in advance they have to pay yearly and will do
>> so.
>> -Members will know not to open a new LIR if they can't pay the yearly
>> fee.
>> -RIPE will give the relatively few members that can't immediately pay
>> yearly some flexibility in a transition period of 1 to 2 years on a
>> case-by-case basis. During this time, these members should be able
>> to save and plan for their yearly payment. That's more than
>> reasonable.
>>
>> After this transitional period all members pay yearly, all complexity
>> is gone (annual fee, paid annually: simple) and *more importantly*:
>> so is the confusion about quarterly payments on an annual fee
>> (especially when a member has multiple LIRs).
>>
>> We have seen this confusion repeatedly. Perhaps it's a cultural
>> difference, but a nontrivial amount of people just don’t seem to get
>> the fact that the membership fee is an ANNUAL fee and it remains an
>> ANNUAL fee even when one is allowed to pay it in multiple terms.
>> Eliminating that confusion is a good reason to me all on its own.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>     Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
>>        Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
>>
>> Please quote relevant replies.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Dominic Schallert
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:06 PM
>>> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
>>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Billing scheme
>>>
>>> I’m afraid that with this change, the whole billing process will
>>> even get
>>> more complex and frustrating due to the large amount of smaller
>>> LIRs with
>>> limited budget. Looking into the crystal ball, two possible things
>>> could
>>> happen:  1) a vast amount of smaller LIRs and multi-LIRs will have
>>> to quit
>>> because they simply can’t afford to pay all at once 2) as
>>> previously
>>> announced, special payment agreements will be established for LIRs
>>> with
>>> cash limitations (which means not much will change, except
>>> increased
>>> billing complexity). Considering this, I haven’t seen any good
>>> reason for
>>> this change yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 08.01.2019 um 13:57 schrieb Isp-Broadcast
>>>> <qendrim.kryeziu at isp-
>>> broadcast.net>:
>>>>
>>>> friend,
>>>>
>>>> how much is the invoice for this year whether it is possible for
>>> delivery, for 1 year and if you have the most paid offer for many
>>> years
>>> with receiving a free year
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Jan 2019, at 12:22, Terrence Koeman
>>>>> <terrence at darkness-reigns.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> With all the confusion around billing I've seen on this list, I
>>> understand RIPE discontinuing their service of allowing quarterly
>>> payments.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can get a loan to bridge the first year and save up for
>>>>> subsequent
>>> years, essentially replacing RIPE's free service by a commercial
>>> one with
>>> an interest for the first year and by saving up yourself for the
>>> following
>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The extra costs of this change are only the interest for such a
>>> business loan (which depends on the inflation of the currency your
>>> business uses, but for EUR currently around 3-6% afaik). Even if it
>>> were
>>> 10% interest on the €1k4 fee it'd be €140 spread out over a year
>>> (=€12/month), that should not be a burden even for a very small
>>> business.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>   Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
>>>>>      Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please quote relevant replies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Marketing KTECHNOLOGY
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Billing scheme
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, the same problem here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the problem for managing so many invoices but it
>>>>>> became
>>> hard
>>>>>> for little busunesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno mar 8 gen 2019, 07:44 Serhii Khomenko
>>>>>> <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com> > ha
>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Dear RIPC NCC,
>>>>>>    I have received a notification that billing scheme would be
>>>>>>    changed
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>    quarterly to annually. But it will be impossible for me to
>>>>>>    pay such
>>>>>> big
>>>>>>    amount of money in one time. I ask you not to change the
>>>>>>    payment
>>>>>> scheme.
>>>>>>    As I'm a private entrepreneur, it will be impossible to pay
>>>>>>    such
>>>>>> amount
>>>>>>    in one payment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Hope for your understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    --
>>>>>>    Kind regards,
>>>>>>    Serhii Khomenko
>>>>>>
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