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Azer Karyagdy
azer at karyagdy.com
Wed Jan 9 10:32:11 CET 2019
Good idea from Terrence! PS. Most members understand that "annual" mean annual contract and can sign for such contract. But many people from ex-USSR prefer do not pay in advance for annual contract. They prefer pay month to month or at max - quaterly. Best Regards Azer ----- Исходное сообщение ----- > Why would it be a "vast amount" of LIRs that have to quit? Why not a > few? > > Also, apparently my crystal ball is bigger, because I see option: > > 3) > -Members that can pay yearly will do so. > -New members will know in advance they have to pay yearly and will do > so. > -Members will know not to open a new LIR if they can't pay the yearly > fee. > -RIPE will give the relatively few members that can't immediately pay > yearly some flexibility in a transition period of 1 to 2 years on a > case-by-case basis. During this time, these members should be able > to save and plan for their yearly payment. That's more than > reasonable. > > After this transitional period all members pay yearly, all complexity > is gone (annual fee, paid annually: simple) and *more importantly*: > so is the confusion about quarterly payments on an annual fee > (especially when a member has multiple LIRs). > > We have seen this confusion repeatedly. Perhaps it's a cultural > difference, but a nontrivial amount of people just don’t seem to get > the fact that the membership fee is an ANNUAL fee and it remains an > ANNUAL fee even when one is allowed to pay it in multiple terms. > Eliminating that confusion is a good reason to me all on its own. > > -- > Regards, > Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf > > Of > > Dominic Schallert > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:06 PM > > To: members-discuss at ripe.net > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Billing scheme > > > > I’m afraid that with this change, the whole billing process will > > even get > > more complex and frustrating due to the large amount of smaller > > LIRs with > > limited budget. Looking into the crystal ball, two possible things > > could > > happen: 1) a vast amount of smaller LIRs and multi-LIRs will have > > to quit > > because they simply can’t afford to pay all at once 2) as > > previously > > announced, special payment agreements will be established for LIRs > > with > > cash limitations (which means not much will change, except > > increased > > billing complexity). Considering this, I haven’t seen any good > > reason for > > this change yet. > > > > > > > Am 08.01.2019 um 13:57 schrieb Isp-Broadcast > > > <qendrim.kryeziu at isp- > > broadcast.net>: > > > > > > friend, > > > > > > how much is the invoice for this year whether it is possible for > > delivery, for 1 year and if you have the most paid offer for many > > years > > with receiving a free year > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On 8 Jan 2019, at 12:22, Terrence Koeman > > >> <terrence at darkness-reigns.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> With all the confusion around billing I've seen on this list, I > > understand RIPE discontinuing their service of allowing quarterly > > payments. > > >> > > >> You can get a loan to bridge the first year and save up for > > >> subsequent > > years, essentially replacing RIPE's free service by a commercial > > one with > > an interest for the first year and by saving up yourself for the > > following > > years. > > >> > > >> The extra costs of this change are only the interest for such a > > business loan (which depends on the inflation of the currency your > > business uses, but for EUR currently around 3-6% afaik). Even if it > > were > > 10% interest on the €1k4 fee it'd be €140 spread out over a year > > (=€12/month), that should not be a burden even for a very small > > business. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Regards, > > >> Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > > >> Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > >> > > >> Please quote relevant replies. > > >> > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On > > >>> Behalf Of > > >>> Marketing KTECHNOLOGY > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:23 AM > > >>> To: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com> > > >>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net > > >>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Billing scheme > > >>> > > >>> Hi, the same problem here. > > >>> > > >>> I understand the problem for managing so many invoices but it > > >>> became > > hard > > >>> for little busunesses. > > >>> > > >>> Il giorno mar 8 gen 2019, 07:44 Serhii Khomenko > > >>> <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com > > >>> <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com> > ha > > >>> scritto: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dear RIPC NCC, > > >>> I have received a notification that billing scheme would be > > >>> changed > > >>> from > > >>> quarterly to annually. But it will be impossible for me to > > >>> pay such > > >>> big > > >>> amount of money in one time. I ask you not to change the > > >>> payment > > >>> scheme. > > >>> As I'm a private entrepreneur, it will be impossible to pay > > >>> such > > >>> amount > > >>> in one payment. > > >>> > > >>> Hope for your understanding. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Kind regards, > > >>> Serhii Khomenko > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> members-discuss mailing list > > >>> members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members- > > >>> discuss/marketing%40ktechnology.it > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> members-discuss mailing list > > >> members-discuss at ripe.net > > >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members- > > discuss/qendrim.kryeziu%40isp-broadcast.net > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > members-discuss at ripe.net > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members- > > discuss/ds%40schallert.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/azer%40karyagdy.com >
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