[members-discuss] Billing scheme

Good idea from Terrence! 
PS. Most members understand that "annual" mean annual contract and can sign for such contract. But many people from ex-USSR prefer do not pay in advance for annual contract. They prefer pay month to month or at max - quaterly. 

Best Regards
Azer

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> Why would it be a "vast amount" of LIRs that have to quit? Why not a
> few?
> 
> Also, apparently my crystal ball is bigger, because I see option:
> 
> 3)
> -Members that can pay yearly will do so.
> -New members will know in advance they have to pay yearly and will do
> so.
> -Members will know not to open a new LIR if they can't pay the yearly
> fee.
> -RIPE will give the relatively few members that can't immediately pay
> yearly some flexibility in a transition period of 1 to 2 years on a
> case-by-case basis. During this time, these members should be able
> to save and plan for their yearly payment. That's more than
> reasonable.
> 
> After this transitional period all members pay yearly, all complexity
> is gone (annual fee, paid annually: simple) and *more importantly*:
> so is the confusion about quarterly payments on an annual fee
> (especially when a member has multiple LIRs).
> 
> We have seen this confusion repeatedly. Perhaps it's a cultural
> difference, but a nontrivial amount of people just don’t seem to get
> the fact that the membership fee is an ANNUAL fee and it remains an
> ANNUAL fee even when one is allowed to pay it in multiple terms.
> Eliminating that confusion is a good reason to me all on its own.
> 
> --
> Regards,
>    Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
>       Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
> 
> Please quote relevant replies.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf
> > Of
> > Dominic Schallert
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:06 PM
> > To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Billing scheme
> > 
> > I’m afraid that with this change, the whole billing process will
> > even get
> > more complex and frustrating due to the large amount of smaller
> > LIRs with
> > limited budget. Looking into the crystal ball, two possible things
> > could
> > happen:  1) a vast amount of smaller LIRs and multi-LIRs will have
> > to quit
> > because they simply can’t afford to pay all at once 2) as
> > previously
> > announced, special payment agreements will be established for LIRs
> > with
> > cash limitations (which means not much will change, except
> > increased
> > billing complexity). Considering this, I haven’t seen any good
> > reason for
> > this change yet.
> > 
> > 
> > > Am 08.01.2019 um 13:57 schrieb Isp-Broadcast
> > > <qendrim.kryeziu at isp-
> > broadcast.net>:
> > >
> > > friend,
> > >
> > > how much is the invoice for this year whether it is possible for
> > delivery, for 1 year and if you have the most paid offer for many
> > years
> > with receiving a free year
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On 8 Jan 2019, at 12:22, Terrence Koeman
> > >> <terrence at darkness-reigns.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> With all the confusion around billing I've seen on this list, I
> > understand RIPE discontinuing their service of allowing quarterly
> > payments.
> > >>
> > >> You can get a loan to bridge the first year and save up for
> > >> subsequent
> > years, essentially replacing RIPE's free service by a commercial
> > one with
> > an interest for the first year and by saving up yourself for the
> > following
> > years.
> > >>
> > >> The extra costs of this change are only the interest for such a
> > business loan (which depends on the inflation of the currency your
> > business uses, but for EUR currently around 3-6% afaik). Even if it
> > were
> > 10% interest on the €1k4 fee it'd be €140 spread out over a year
> > (=€12/month), that should not be a burden even for a very small
> > business.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >>  Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy
> > >>     Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V.
> > >>
> > >> Please quote relevant replies.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On
> > >>> Behalf Of
> > >>> Marketing KTECHNOLOGY
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:23 AM
> > >>> To: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com>
> > >>> Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
> > >>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Billing scheme
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi, the same problem here.
> > >>>
> > >>> I understand the problem for managing so many invoices but it
> > >>> became
> > hard
> > >>> for little busunesses.
> > >>>
> > >>> Il giorno mar 8 gen 2019, 07:44 Serhii Khomenko
> > >>> <khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com
> > >>> <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m at gmail.com> > ha
> > >>> scritto:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>   Dear RIPC NCC,
> > >>>   I have received a notification that billing scheme would be
> > >>>   changed
> > >>> from
> > >>>   quarterly to annually. But it will be impossible for me to
> > >>>   pay such
> > >>> big
> > >>>   amount of money in one time. I ask you not to change the
> > >>>   payment
> > >>> scheme.
> > >>>   As I'm a private entrepreneur, it will be impossible to pay
> > >>>   such
> > >>> amount
> > >>>   in one payment.
> > >>>
> > >>>   Hope for your understanding.
> > >>>
> > >>>   --
> > >>>   Kind regards,
> > >>>   Serhii Khomenko
> > >>>
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