[members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List

Hello everyone. 

I would vote for option C for the following reasons: 

1st - Is not the job of RIPE NCC to check how brokers work and their
integrity.
2nd - RIPE already does verifications for the transfers. Isn't that a
double job? Yes. So, a broker is not needed at all.
3rd - Personally, i am totally against that list. Having a broker list
would mean that someone is doing benefit on resource transfers. 

Transfers between different entities should be done under the RIPE
contract terms (enterprise acquisitions or same enterprise having
several LIRs and regrouping them) and NOT otherwise.
If someone has uneeded resources, these should be given back to RIPE.
Those resources don't belong to that person/enterprise in first place. 

We have to keep in mind that all resources belong to RIPE and RIPE let
us use them. They are NOT OUR property! 

Regards

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A 2019-12-19 10:37, Schnabeltier escreveu:

>> Dear colleagues, 
>> 
>> I think we have three options. I would vote for option B: 
>> 
>> A) Keeping the list. 
>> 
>> B) We would consider it as important to have a list of reliable brokers. The RIPE NCC would only publish information of brokers which are verified. If the majority would vote for this option, we have to find a solution how to verify the integrity of brokers. 
>> 
>> C) We do not consider a list of reliable brokers as important. While RIPE NCC cannot or does not want to validate the integrity of brokers at this moment, the list should be removed. 
>> 
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>> From: Christian Kaufmann <exec-board at ripe.net [1]>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19. Dec 2019 - 10:17 CET +0100
>> To: members-discuss at ripe.net [1]
>> 
>> Subject: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List

> Dear RIPE NCC members,
> 
> The Executive Board has been following this discussion and we can see 
> general agreement for a change in the way brokers are listed on the RIPE 
> NCC's website.
> 
> The question is whether the RIPE NCC should remove the list entirely, or 
> otherwise take steps to improve its approach. There are pros and cons 
> with both options.
> 
> Removing the list is straightforward and would spare the RIPE NCC a few 
> headaches. However, it is worth considering whether the current model 
> provides some incentive for brokers to play by the rules and what might 
> happen if this incentive is gone.
> 
> Conversely, it's clear that some brokers are still spamming RIPE 
> Database contacts. Is this the only problem we are seeking to eliminate 
> here, or are there others? Could an updated set of terms or a stricter 
> approach by the RIPE NCC help to mitigate this?
> 
> Before the board makes its decision, we would like to hear your thoughts
> on this list.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Christian Kaufmann
> RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman
> 
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