[members-discuss] Regarding RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On

Hello,

I Agree with everyone who wrote by now.

If we want working volume base charging scheme, it must be based networks 
and ASNs the LIR or Legacy Holders holds.

By me to can cover current situation and all possibilities must be based 
on:
IPV4: /24 network (256 addresses)
IPV6: /29 network (huge number of addresses)
ASN:  1 ASN

In one LIR annual fee to be included:
1 x /24 IPv4 (covering future when IPV4 will be exhaused)
1 x /29 IPV6 (for small - middle range ISP absolutely enough I think)
1 x ASN (even big ISP can operate with only one ASN)

For every extra 1 x IPV4 /24 , 1 x IPV6 /29 , 1 x 1 ASN , the LIR or 
Legacy holder who holds it have to pay extra fee.

10 Euro for one extra IPV4 /24
(RIPE NCC holds 43 x /8 IPV4 networks? if so nearly +30m euro extra income 
from IPV4 address space)

1 Euro for one extra IPV6 /29
( Must be low to stimulate deploying IPV6 )

50 Euro for 1 extra ASN
(Resonable price)

The annual LIR/Legacy Holder fee can be lowered from 1150 Euro to 500 Euro 
or less, because incomes from IPV4 adress space will cover a lot of the 
budget.


RIPE NCC can do better and more exact calculations than me becuase they 
have all and right numbers.



Ivaylo Josifov



On Wed, 17 Apr 2019, Nico Schottelius wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I think the point that is most "wrong" in this charging scheme is that
> IPv6 resources are treated the same as IPv4. This is a) not in relation
> to scarcity and b) does not give any motivation for IPv6 deployements.
>
> I suggest that either any IPv6 resource is for free or that "up to" some
> amount of IPv6 resources it stays free and even after that the increase
> should be lower than IPv4.
>
> That said, I agree with Alex that if the objective is to support smaller
> ISPs, it should be charged on volume, not number.
>
> My counter proposal to B would be
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Same base fee as option B
> - All IPv6 resources are free
> - Charge x per 256 IPv4 addresses
> - Charge y per ASN, after the 5th ASN
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The key x would have to be determined by RIPE and could be derived from
> the current allocations such that the new membership fee sum = the
> current sum.
>
> For the key y I don't have a good estimate at the moment, but 50 Euro/y
> does not sound unreasonable. Also most LIRs will never exceed the
> included number of ASNs.
>
> Best,
>
> Nico
>
>
> Alexandru Doszlop <alexandru.doszlop at netprotect.ro> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I just read the email regarding the charging scheme for 2020 option B.
>> Are you kidding me?
>> Are you really naming it "volume based billing"?
>>
>> Let's say one isp has only one /12 ipv4 PA. It will pay 1150 euro + 50 euro.
>> The other LIR that wants to help small companies and has 50 /24 assignments, will pay 1150 + 50*50=3650 euro.
>> All new lirs that receive smaller than /22 assignments will pay more than than the big isp.
>> Where is the volume here?
>>
>> Unbelievable...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Gwen van Berne <gvanberne at ripe.net>
>> Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08
>> Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On
>> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
>> Cc:
>>
>>  Dear colleagues,
>>
>>  Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General
>>  Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members, the
>>  Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the
>>  members can choose from at the GM.
>>
>>  An overview of the two options is also available that explains the two
>>  models in more detail. The overview and the two charging schemes are
>>  available at:
>>  https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents
>>
>>  In short, the options that members will choose between are:
>>
>>  Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing charging scheme,
>>  according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR 1,400 plus an extra
>>  EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment.
>>
>>  Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new volume-based, per
>>  registration charging scheme. This would involve lowering the annual fee
>>  to EUR 1,150  whilst broadening the applicability of the separate EUR 50
>>  charge to all number registrations held by the member. See the full list
>>  of registrations that would be charged in the document.
>>
>>  The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both options.
>>
>>  We encourage members to discuss the options on the Member Discuss
>>  mailing list at <members-discuss at ripe.net>. The Executive Board and the
>>  RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely ahead of the GM.
>>
>>  If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly encourage you to
>>  do so and make sure you have your say on which of two distinct charging
>>  scheme options should be adopted in May. Full participation and voting
>>  options are available for all members. You can register now via the LIR
>>  Portal at:
>>  https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019
>>
>>  All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are available from:
>>  https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/
>>
>>  Kind regards,
>>
>>  Gwen van Berne
>>  Chief Financial Officer
>>  RIPE NCC
>
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