[members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers
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Max Tulyev
maxtul at netassist.ua
Fri May 4 17:50:05 CEST 2018
Implementing the native IPv6 and CGNAT means you need twice (for now) less powerful (and less expensive) CGNAT device. And you can always have point-to-point connectivity. That what I miss for our and EU mobile carriers... 02.05.18 14:47, Craig Arnold пише: > > I support what Adrian has said here. As a small ISP we don’t have > enough addresses to cover all of our customers, let alone our own > infrastructure as well. Prices from brokers are in the region of EUR12 > per IP, which is simply not possible to justify for a small company. > The problems of not having enough addresses means relying on CGNAT to > get customers connected, and all the issues that come with it. Not > such a problem for mobile providers, but providers of fixed-line > broadband have a much harder time with this technology. > > > > Sure IPv6 is the solution, but until we’re past the threshold where > the majority of content is IPv6 enabled we still have to supply public > IPv4 addresses to all customers in some form. > > > > I’d like to see governments selling its stock of unused addresses to > local business that can prove a need at an affordable price. Everyone > wants to sell their IPs to fund their own IPv6 rollouts. Great, so the > little guys have to spend their cash on extortionate IPv4 prices just > to keep up, stalling or preventing their own IPv6 rollouts, while the > bigger players get their rollouts partially funded. If businesses can > show they’re planning to or currently rolling out IPv6, they should > have fairer access to IPv4 resources while they continue those plans. > I think the RIRs need to step in and help here. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf > Of *Adrian Bolster > *Sent:* 02 May 2018 09:46 > *To:* William <william at william.si>; Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl > <thomas at niceblue.it> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers > > > > The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively > new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as > us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth > and competition in the ISP marketplace. > > > > A fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable needs, > taking into account their current allocations; but for RIPE to retain > an override on these allocations. By monitoring for any unused space > it would be possible to remove any unused to be recycled. > > > > Also, governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4 real > estate that is not in use. This is another area that needs exploring. > > > > After all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive has to > be done. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> *On Behalf Of *William > *Sent:* 01 May 2018 18:15 > *To:* Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <thomas at niceblue.it > <mailto:thomas at niceblue.it>> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers > > > > As someone that would profit from this i am absolutely against it. > > > > RIPE exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one of them, > and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR transfers cover the > business needs at this time. > > > > The current merger rules are a good middle way. > > > > > > -- > > William Weber > > Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia > > > > https://ip6.im <https://ip6.im/> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email > for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just > get it anyway, can't hurt to have. > > > > > > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl > <thomas at niceblue.it <mailto:thomas at niceblue.it>> wrote: > > YES! Probably this would be possible... > ...just setting the RIPE sign-up fee of 4600 EUR that includes > the first two years of membership in a non refoundable way ( : > > > Thomas > > Il 01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto: > > I think it would be great! > > > > Best regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov. > > > > 2018-04-30 22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov > <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>>: > > Hello, all. > > > > What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of > the same company without 24 months restriction? > > > > I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE > meeting in Marseille. > > > > ----- > > Kind regards, > > Alexey > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/dvorozhtsov%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/thomas%40niceblue.it > > > > -- > > -- > > Thomas Gallo @ Nice Blue s.r.l. > > Centro Direzionale Interporto Padova - Torre B > > Galleria Spagna, 35 - 35127 PADOVA (PD) > > Fixed phone: +39 (0)49 85 94 766 > > Fax line: +39 (0)49 82 51 032 > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/maxtul%40netassist.ua -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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