[members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers

Implementing the native IPv6 and CGNAT means you need twice (for now)
less powerful (and less expensive) CGNAT device. And you can always have
point-to-point connectivity. That what I miss for our and EU mobile
carriers...

02.05.18 14:47, Craig Arnold пише:
>
> I support what Adrian has said here. As a small ISP we don’t have
> enough addresses to cover all of our customers, let alone our own
> infrastructure as well. Prices from brokers are in the region of EUR12
> per IP, which is simply not possible to justify for a small company.
> The problems of not having enough addresses means relying on CGNAT to
> get customers connected, and all the issues that come with it. Not
> such a problem for mobile providers, but providers of fixed-line
> broadband have a much harder time with this technology.
>
>  
>
> Sure IPv6 is the solution, but until we’re past the threshold where
> the majority of content is IPv6 enabled we still have to supply public
> IPv4 addresses to all customers in some form.
>
>  
>
> I’d like to see governments selling its stock of unused addresses to
> local business that can prove a need at an affordable price. Everyone
> wants to sell their IPs to fund their own IPv6 rollouts. Great, so the
> little guys have to spend their cash on extortionate IPv4 prices just
> to keep up, stalling or preventing their own IPv6 rollouts, while the
> bigger players get their rollouts partially funded. If businesses can
> show they’re planning to or currently rolling out IPv6, they should
> have fairer access to IPv4 resources while they continue those plans.
> I think the RIRs need to step in and help here.
>
>  
>
> *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf
> Of *Adrian Bolster
> *Sent:* 02 May 2018 09:46
> *To:* William <william at william.si>; Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl
> <thomas at niceblue.it>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers
>
>  
>
> The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively
> new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as
> us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth
> and competition in the ISP marketplace.
>
>  
>
> A fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable needs,
> taking into account their current allocations; but for RIPE to retain
> an override on these allocations. By monitoring for any unused space
> it would be possible to remove any unused to be recycled.
>
>  
>
> Also, governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4 real
> estate that is not in use. This is another area that needs exploring.
>
>  
>
> After all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive has to
> be done.
>
>  
>
> *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
> <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> *On Behalf Of *William
> *Sent:* 01 May 2018 18:15
> *To:* Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <thomas at niceblue.it
> <mailto:thomas at niceblue.it>>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers
>
>  
>
> As someone that would profit from this i am absolutely against it.
>
>  
>
> RIPE exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one of them,
> and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR transfers cover the
> business needs at this time.
>
>  
>
> The current merger rules are a good middle way.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> --
>
> William Weber
>
> Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia
>
>  
>
> https://ip6.im <https://ip6.im/> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email
> for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just
> get it anyway, can't hurt to have.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl
> <thomas at niceblue.it <mailto:thomas at niceblue.it>> wrote:
>
>     YES! Probably this would be possible...
>     ...just setting the RIPE  sign-up fee of 4600 EUR that includes
>     the first two years of membership in a non refoundable way   ( :
>
>
>     Thomas
>
>     Il 01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:
>
>         I think it would be great!
>
>          
>
>         Best regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.
>
>          
>
>         2018-04-30 22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov
>         <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>>:
>
>             Hello, all.
>
>              
>
>             What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of
>             the same company without 24 months restriction? 
>
>              
>
>             I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE
>             meeting in Marseille.
>
>              
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>             -----
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>             Kind regards,
>
>             Alexey
>
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