[members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers

There just aren't enough IPv4 addresses left to do that. Then you bring 
into the immediate question is your justification better than my 
justification.

This day and age if you're starting any internet based business that 
requires it's own IP space you either have to be very conservative with 
IPs and remain within the /22 or you have to budget accordingly and make 
transactions on the secondary market to increase your space.

Otherwise plenty of carriers, datacenters and providers still rent/lease 
IPv4 on long term contracts as well. Having your own is cheaper yes, but 
not near as cheap as when the internet began. It's nature, things just 
get more expensive with time and consumption.



On 05/02/2018 03:46 AM, Adrian Bolster wrote:
>
> The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively 
> new ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as 
> us, do not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth 
> and competition in the ISP marketplace.
>
> A fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable needs, 
> taking into account their current allocations; but for RIPE to retain 
> an override on these allocations. By monitoring for any unused space 
> it would be possible to remove any unused to be recycled.
>
> Also, governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4 real 
> estate that is not in use. This is another area that needs exploring.
>
> After all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive has to 
> be done.
>
> *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf 
> Of *William
> *Sent:* 01 May 2018 18:15
> *To:* Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <thomas at niceblue.it>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers
>
> As someone that would profit from this i am absolutely against it.
>
> RIPE exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one of them, 
> and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR transfers cover the 
> business needs at this time.
>
> The current merger rules are a good middle way.
>
> --
>
> William Weber
>
> Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia
>
> https://ip6.im <https://ip6.im/> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email 
> for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just 
> get it anyway, can't hurt to have.
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl 
> <thomas at niceblue.it <mailto:thomas at niceblue.it>> wrote:
>
>     YES! Probably this would be possible...
>     ...just setting the RIPE  sign-up fee of 4600 EUR that includes
>     the first two years of membership in a non refoundable way   ( :
>
>
>     Thomas
>
>     Il 01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:
>
>         I think it would be great!
>
>         Best regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.
>
>         2018-04-30 22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov
>         <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>>:
>
>             Hello, all.
>
>             What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of
>             the same company without 24 months restriction?
>
>             I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE
>             meeting in Marseille.
>
>             -----
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>             Kind regards,
>
>             Alexey
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