[members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly

Inna,

People are (rightly) upset that they are attempting to sell resources from
the last /8. Which, while technically allowed, is incredibly abhorrent
behaviour.
To pour salt in the wound, this "bad actor" then has the hubris to complain
about being required to pay for the whole year (which is well documented in
the transfer procedure).

The community has been very clear that we consider this to be abuse of the
policy and that is what people are attacking.
So I would think twice about defending Bignet's actions.

Regards,
Tim.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Инна Арабаджи <navis.group at ukr.net> wrote:

> If they have 5 LIRs, so that means RIPE NCC gave them this possibility.
> Instead of attacking the company Bignet, which according to the policy
> registered 5 lirs.
> (You have the right to register as many LIRs as you want)
> you'd rather have paid attention to the problem they described.
>
> RIPE asks to pay for 3 months for the service that was not provided.
> If the payment is annual, ok, lets be the payment for the period
> 04.2018-04.2019.
>
> Kind regards, Inna
>
>
> --- Оригінальне повідомлення ---
> Від кого: "Viethen, Christoph" <viethen at itc.rwth-aachen.de>
> Дата: 19 липня 2018, 10:49:20
>
> I'm getting the impression we have quite a lot of experts on Dutch law
> around on this list. Fascinating!
>
>
> Kind regards,  C.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
> Сергій Черьомуш <bestseller.group at ukr.net>
> *Sent:* 17 July 2018 11:26:59
> *To:* Aleksey Bulgakov
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly
>
> *"There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and
> doesn't want to share it."*
> Each organization has its own set of rules, but they can not contradict
> the law.
> I also do not understand how it is possible to bill for a service under
> the agreement "after the fact".
>
> Kind regards, Sergey Cheromush
>
> *17 липня 2018, 10:57:45, від "Aleksey Bulgakov" <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com
> <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>>:*
>
> Hi.
>
> There isn't a secret that noncommercial organisation earns money and
> doesn't want to share it. But it shows that it cares about members trying
> to keep IPv4 pool available  for future business so long asit  possible.
> But there is market where everyone can buy necessary IPv4 without request
> to mantioned organisation.
>
> вт, 17 Июл 2018 г., 9:05 Andrey Levrinets <levrinets.andrey at ukr.net>:
>
> Hi all,
> "A member must pay the full annual service fee for each LIR account(s)
> held before they can transfer resources or close their LIR account(s)"
> There is no word about accounts that have not been active for the full
> year.
>
> --
> Andrey
>
> *16 липня 2018, 13:01:52, від "Freethought Hostmaster"
> <hostmaster at freethought-internet.co.uk
> <hostmaster at freethought-internet.co.uk>>:*
>
> Hi Jens,
>
> Actually, the RIPE service fee for new members is charged on a pro-rata
> basis, so if you join part way through the year, then you only pay for part
> of the year. I seem to recall that this is done down quarterly granularity.
>
> See https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/
> payment/billing-procedure-and-fee-schedule-2018#fees-for-new-members for
> example.
>
> Edward Dore
> Freethought Internet
>
> *From: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
> Jens Ott <ripe at opteamax.de>
> *Date: *Monday, 16 July 2018 at 07:02
> *To: *"members-discuss at ripe.net" <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly
>
> Hi,
>
> Please read the charging scheme carefully, it only talks about an annual
> fee. The offer to pay it in 4 steps is just an offer but doesn't change
> anything about the amount. There is no monthly fee or daily fee... There
> are no definitions that entering over the year reduces the costs.
>
> Maybe we should just remove that offer to not pay everything at once, this
> would decrease discussions and time for processing a transfer.
>
> BR
> Jens
>
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