[members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need support
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Terrence Koeman
terrence at darkness-reigns.com
Tue Dec 4 16:37:42 CET 2018
The 24-month rule may prevent "fast" money, but the payment requirement for all LIRs before transfer makes a dent in the "slow" money. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of ripe- > member-discuss+lr at c2play.de > Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 11:25 AM > To: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need > support > > > Sebastian Wiesinger sebastian.wiesinger at noris.net [Tue Dec 4 08:53:56 > CET 2018] > > The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also > > pay them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times. > > > > Regards > > > > Sebastian > > > That is, in the light of the matter of this discussion, not quite correct. > Yes, the fees are annual - but they are charged on a pro rata basis, so for > example, LIRs don't pay a full annual fee of €1,400 when they become LIR in > the last quarter of 2018. They only pay for the last quarter of 2018. > > > What the starter of the discussion criticizes is that LIRs not only have to > pay member fees retroactively, they also have to pay it when those LIRs are > not involved in the transfer at all. > > > To be honest, I think that RIPE NCC is a very fair RIR, if not the fairest. > But I also admit that this rule is quite confusing: To prevent impatient > people from creating a LIR in the last quarter of a year, then transfering > the resource(s) and closing the LIR to make fast money, we already have a > rule which states that scarce resources cannot be transfered within the first > 24 months after the resource was allocated. > > > There may be also other reasons for companies to create multiple LIRs than > making fast money. Many people do legitime business. Also in the earlier days > of RIPE NCC some companies had multiple LIRs. > > > With that said, I don't think the way how fees are charged for such transfers > is consistent, it is quite confusing. On the other hand RIPE NCC has a > legitime interest to prevent people from making fast money; but here we > already have an effective rule: The 24 months restriction. > > > So the question is: What is the reason for this rule if you think we need it > to be kept? > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dave Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, 4. Dec 2018 – 10:39 CET +0100 > To: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian.wiesinger at noris.net> > members-discuss at ripe.net > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need > support > > > Additional accounts are normally setup to get more IP Space > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of > Sebastian Wiesinger > Sent: 04 December 2018 07:54 > To: members-discuss at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR’s billing issues with RIPE NCC, need > support > > * Juri <hostmaster at ntx.ru> [2018-12-04 08:09]: > > I suggest RIPE NCC do correct accounting for each LIR for the time > > this LIR instance exists. If LIR has annual billing - then RIPE NCC > > should use it. If LIR selected quarterly billing - RIPE NCC show use. > > But RIPE NCC should not overcharge LIRs for the time they didn't give > > any services for LIR instance. > > The RIPE NCC fees are anually. As a convenience *to you* you can also pay > them quarterly (we don't). This has been discussed multiple times. > > Regards > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members- > discuss/dave%40it-communicationsltd.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe- > member-discuss%2Blr%40c2play.de
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