[members-discuss] Russian government blocked 18mln IPs at 20/04/2018
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Mon Apr 30 12:46:48 CEST 2018
Greetings, On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Bruno Carvalho wrote: > > Hello everyone. > > I've been reading all your messages regarding this problem since some time now. And i think that this problem shouldn't be handled by RIPE at all. > Countries blacklist IP addresses and DNS addresses since some time now (because of piracy, political reasons, etc...). So... just because now, > Russia is blocking a lot of VPN IPs, is a reason for RIPE to step in? No. I don't think so. I think you are correct -- at least, afaik, it is not part of RIPE NCC's mandate from its members. > You all should keep the 2 things appart from each other. We in > Portugal, have since some time now, several torrent websites blocked (IP > and DNS) Really? I was only aware about the DNS redirection, which anyone able to use a search engine can easily circumvent... > and you don't ear us complain about it or ask RIPE to talk to the > gouvernment. Some people have tried to complain to our government about the existing MoU's (ISPs, DROs and others) application, but with little or no success. > I agree that internet should be regulated. But a regulation can be > benign to some but malign to others. A balance should be found. Internet > would never be free because of this. And it's not the job of RIPE to > balance it. RIPE NCC is not a regulator. The RIPE Community is also not a regulator, but can address _technical_ issues in order to achieve improvements, even if full solutions are not possible. RIPE NCC's interface with governments (and LEAs), in my opinion, has a good track record. Regards, Carlos > Regards > > --- > XRV > > Bruno Carvalho (CEO xrv.pt) | +351 300 404 316 > P Please consider the environment before printing this email > > Visit our website > Facebook Twitter > > > On 2018-04-25 14:51, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote: > > * Juri <hostmaster at ntx.ru> [2018-04-25 14:20]: > Hello Max, > > would you like the world to do exactly your (i.e. Russian citizens) job > and cut your small dictator off? > Why? > It is your country, not our, so do it yourself > > > We can't do that by ourselfs only ) > And, yes, we don't have elections here. > > There some other countries, like Ukraine for example, who copy bad > practice of Internet censorship too. That's why Internet companies and > ISPs should think about those problem together. > > > I hate to say it, but ISPs are bound by the laws of the country > they're operating in. If your government doesn't allow free access > there is nothing anyone outside of your country can do. Change has to > come from within. You are hurt by your governments decision to block > access to millions of IPs? Let them know. Let your customers know who > is responsible. That is not something we can do for you. > > Also the RIPE NCC already has an outreach program to meet with and > inform governments, but a government would have to be willing to meet > and be informed. > > Regards > > Sebastian > > -- > Sebastian Wiesinger > Principal Network Architect > Network & Security (ONS) > > noris network AG > Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 > 90471 Nürnberg > Deutschland > > Tel +49 911 9352 1335 > Fax +49 911 9352 100 > > sebastian.wiesinger at noris.de > https://www.noris.de - Mehr Leistung als Standard > > Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Jürgen Städing - > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689 > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/bruno.carvalho%40xrv.pt > > >
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