[members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents

RIPE does not really do this, they will send the documents also to a secondary address (not the LIR or company address).
This verifies *some* address, but not *the* address.
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 07:40, Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de)  wrote:
I think RIPE sending the membership documents in a letter, because they 
use it also to verify the address.

You can fake everything, the company papers and all. I dont think the 
RIPE checking this informations in local country registers.

To fake a address is not that easy possible I would say...

There are still many companys they send you a code by letter to verify 
the address.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Marcel Edler
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Am 25.04.2018 um 15:31 schrieb Janos Zsako:
Dear Tom,

Can you please clarify, why it is that you think email is appropriate 
for digitally signed documents, not paper based documents signed by 
hand, scanned and sent by e-mail?

I am not a lawyer, but as far as I know, in case of a litigation a 
digitally
signed document is usually accepted by the court as evidence with much 
higher
confidence than a scanned document. One of the roles of the digital 
signature
is to ensure non-repudiation. A valid signature usually proves who 
signed the
document (usually through a certificate issued by a trusted CA) and it 
also
proves that the document has not been changed since. If it also 
contains a
qualified time stamp, then you can also know for sure the document 
existed in
this form at that time.

I stand corrected on fax use, I had no idea it was still growing! 
Although, I think the demographic of ISPs may have lower than average 
fax usage. Our company have a fax simply because some customers do, 
we would not choose to fax or post over email unless it was 
absolutely necessary.

Well, we cancelled the company fax a couple of years ago. :)

I suppose you could consider fax or post more secure than email, but 
I'm not too sure how valid that argument is.

Post and original (signed) documents are definitely more secure than fax
or (digitally not signed) e-mail. In case of the fax, I tend to agree 
with you,
but there was a time, in Hungary at least, when courts did accept fax 
as evidence,
while e-mail was usually not accepted. The judges were of the 
(probably wrong)
opinion that fax is more difficult to forge than e-mail.

Best regards,
Janos

Kind Regards,
Tom Corney

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