[members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents

I think RIPE sending the membership documents in a letter, because they 
use it also to verify the address.

You can fake everything, the company papers and all. I dont think the 
RIPE checking this informations in local country registers.

To fake a address is not that easy possible I would say...

There are still many companys they send you a code by letter to verify 
the address.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Marcel Edler
Geschäftsinhaber

Optimate-Server
EM Koddes 1
52531 Übach-Palenberg
Germany
Tel.: 06104 / 9722141
Fax: 06104 / 9722142
Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499
eMail: medler at optimate-server.de
Internet: http://www.optimate-server.de

Am 25.04.2018 um 15:31 schrieb Janos Zsako:
> Dear Tom,
>
>> Can you please clarify, why it is that you think email is appropriate 
>> for digitally signed documents, not paper based documents signed by 
>> hand, scanned and sent by e-mail?
>
> I am not a lawyer, but as far as I know, in case of a litigation a 
> digitally
> signed document is usually accepted by the court as evidence with much 
> higher
> confidence than a scanned document. One of the roles of the digital 
> signature
> is to ensure non-repudiation. A valid signature usually proves who 
> signed the
> document (usually through a certificate issued by a trusted CA) and it 
> also
> proves that the document has not been changed since. If it also 
> contains a
> qualified time stamp, then you can also know for sure the document 
> existed in
> this form at that time.
>
>> I stand corrected on fax use, I had no idea it was still growing! 
>> Although, I think the demographic of ISPs may have lower than average 
>> fax usage. Our company have a fax simply because some customers do, 
>> we would not choose to fax or post over email unless it was 
>> absolutely necessary.
>
> Well, we cancelled the company fax a couple of years ago. :)
>
>> I suppose you could consider fax or post more secure than email, but 
>> I'm not too sure how valid that argument is.
>
> Post and original (signed) documents are definitely more secure than fax
> or (digitally not signed) e-mail. In case of the fax, I tend to agree 
> with you,
> but there was a time, in Hungary at least, when courts did accept fax 
> as evidence,
> while e-mail was usually not accepted. The judges were of the 
> (probably wrong)
> opinion that fax is more difficult to forge than e-mail.
>
> Best regards,
> Janos
>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Tom Corney
>
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