[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

Janis, good idea. Do you need new job? ;)

I understand position EU people, I ask you try to look on this eyes of people in Eastern Europe or Arab Region. You have all the levers of control, we are nothing. Many are mistakenly think, that in these regions the service will be bad. Nobody to talk about move all RINE NCC, let's do few steps towards each other and crete new eg technical/support/developer office in CIS/Arab region. Everything is discussed.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 00:38:28 +0300
Janis Jaunosans <jj at streamnetworks.lv> wrote:

> For the "movers", 5'ish or how many you are there , just an idea - build 
> your own NCC with blackjack and hooke.. :-)
> 
> On 16/04/2018 12:38, Jaleel A. Mohammad wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > With respect to all, I received a lot of emails on moving the service 
> > and unfortunately I read few of them only.
> >
> > I strongly agree with below comments made by Robert, my concern is “ 
> > the Service” my point is very clear that the Service is most important 
> > for my organization & in deed for all of us. Therefor my understanding 
> > is not to compromise to move the organization only for low expenses.
> >
> > It’s all about finance and expenses, so surely there will be a way to 
> > come out of this situation and we all will support to fix this issue.
> >
> > Regard’s
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> > *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On 
> > Behalf Of *Robert Vojcik
> > *Sent:* 16 April 2018 11:05
> > *To:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual 
> > Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'd like to contribute to this discussion.
> >
> > I believe that when it comes to save the money, moving organization 
> > always leads to some things
> >
> >   * moving organization is very expensive itself
> >   * if moving is becouse of cost saving, there will be *always* big
> >     drop of quality of services, we can see it on many other companies
> >
> > I believe there is a lot of experts in Ripe NCC and they must be 
> > appropriately paid.
> >
> > If Ripe NCC needs more finances for it's staff or projects etc, I'm 
> > for increasing the charge. It's the most effective way to solve the 
> > problem.
> >
> > We also don't want to move such important organization beouse of cost 
> > savings. We want progress, new projects, better performance and more 
> > secure and free internet and that is no cheap tasks.
> >
> > If Ripe need more financess, create some finance analysis and then 
> > rise up the charge.
> >
> > On 12.4.2018 17:14, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
> >
> >     <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>>:
> >
> >         AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around
> >         28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member
> >         of income.
> >
> >         And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%),
> >         so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.
> >
> >         I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not
> >         4000€
> >
> >     So, we can move the RIPE office to another country, with
> >     less salary numbers. E.g. there are the salary numbers
> >     approximately 1500€ in Russia, including tax 13%. With social tax
> >     30% the salary numbers are 2000€ in Moscow.
> >
> >     What do you think about it? Me and my colleagues, who wrote here
> >     earlier, are ready to help the community with relocation.
> >
> >
> >
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