[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

Can we cut the crap and get serious, please?

I would suggest to host this topic another time because it moving location will not happen before 2020 and has nothing to do with the charging scheme for 2019.

Thanks and have a nice weekend

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> Op 13 apr. 2018 om 20:11 heeft Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> So, what will you do if euro is gone?) Brexit is only beginning.
> 
> пт, 13 Апр 2018 г., 14:57 William <william at william.si>:
>> Yes, this sums it up pretty much, including the micro management. 
>> RIPE is overall in an excellent financial position (it rarely was better) and i see a lot of this ideas ignore the sole costs of moving staff needed, hardware (eg. import tax) and accounting to another jurisdiction which eats away the profit from it for years.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> If RIPE accepts payment in RUR (or GBP, or USD) it has to be exchanged to Euro immediately, so you pay the interbank rate anyway. In practice, the same you pay now.
>> 
>> This exchange is either open market based on horrible rates (for eg. RUR) or government only and thus a fixed rate nobody can adjust to reality (eg. a lot of Arab country currencies). 
>> RIPE will not, and is not supposed to, hold foreign bank accounts and store money until better FX rates (that might never happen) or invest local for profit.
>> 
>> 
>> Your complain is also not really RIPE related at all - Russia's currency is still based on *dollar* and *oil*, any loss is attributable to your economy and government, we should not subsidise your problems in any way (and neither should we finance anyone else this way).
>> 
>> In RIPE countries the most used currency overall is simply Euro, so alone this justifies the sole usage IMO.
>> 
>> --
>> William Weber
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 10:50, Daniel Suchy <danny at danysek.cz> wrote:
>> This depends on currency exchange rate, which is variable and RIPE has
>> no control over it. Other services (IXP, for example) also doesn't
>> accept payment fixed in local currency from member origin country.
>> 
>> Even in case of accepting payments in local currency, the
>> membership/anual fees *must* be equal for each member regardless of
>> member's regional currency (= respecting currency exchange rates).
>> 
>> And it's much easier (and with less administrative overhead on RIPE
>> side) to have membership fees in *single* currency, as exchange rate is
>> - by design - variable.
>> 
>> It was already mentioned - some members are trying to "micromanage" RIPE
>> NCC. That's wrong idea in general.
>> 
>> With regards,
>> Daniel
>> 
>> On 04/13/2018 09:45 AM, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
>> I completely agree. The Membership  in Russia was 150k rubles in 2014
>> and 255k rubles is now. The annual fees were 60k  rub in 2014 and 100k
>> rub now.
>> 
>> пт, 13 Апр 2018 г., 10:21 Alexandr Gurbo <a.gurbo at severen.ru
>> <mailto:a.gurbo at severen.ru>>:
>> It is better to pay in our region in Russian rubles, in Europe in
>> Euro, in England in pounds. All RIPE community should think about
>> change not only about membership service fees, but and about
>> currency per region.
>> 
>> 
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