[members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse

I can agree with this. To go a step further I'd love to see a world 
where people sending abuse complaints also honor the abuse contact and 
don't simply spam every individual / email listed as well.

On 09/07/2017 03:13 AM, Tim Armstrong wrote:
> Which is, to a certain extent, a requirement.
> But that's not the real issue, I don't mind people knowing my name, I 
> just want a world where NOC and Abuse contacts aren't be spammed with 
> sales pitches constantly.
>
>
>
> On 7 Sep 2017 10:05 am, "Christoffer Hansen" <cdh at nianet.dk 
> <mailto:cdh at nianet.dk>> wrote:
>
>     > If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed
>     >
>
>     Only if you have entered them in the RIPE DB on objects. (fx.
>     person, abuse, update etc.)
>
>     On 9/5/2017 13:40, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>     > How does the RIPE DB and its current protections (or lack of
>     them) work
>     > within the framework of GDPR?
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > If individual employees contact details are being readily
>     exposed then
>     > that could be a serious problem for both us as a LIR and for RIPE.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Michele
>     >
>     >
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>     > *From: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
>     <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of
>     > Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com
>     <mailto:t.armstrong at nerdalize.com>>
>     > *Date: *Tuesday 5 September 2017 at 09:52
>     > *To: *Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte at paragon.net.uk
>     <mailto:catalin.dominte at paragon.net.uk>>
>     > *Cc: *"members-discuss at ripe.net
>     <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>" <members-discuss at ripe.net
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>     > *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database
>     Abuse
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > I agree entirely.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte
>     > <catalin.dominte at paragon.net.uk
>     <mailto:catalin.dominte at paragon.net.uk>
>     <mailto:catalin.dominte at paragon.net.uk
>     <mailto:catalin.dominte at paragon.net.uk>>>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >     If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting),
>     that would
>     >     be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be
>     gleaned
>     >     from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am
>     >     interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level
>     management
>     >     from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they
>     never
>     >     stop.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     *Catalin Dominte*
>     >
>     >     Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
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>     >
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>     >
>     >     On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms
>     (telco at intrinsec.com <mailto:telco at intrinsec.com>
>     >     <mailto:telco at intrinsec.com <mailto:telco at intrinsec.com>>)
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >         There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim
>     Armstrong
>     >         to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
>     >
>     >
>     >         Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
>     >
>     >         Comment Content:
>     >
>     >         And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something
>     about all
>     >         the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight
>     >         auto-replies!
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong
>     >             <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com
>     <mailto:t.armstrong at nerdalize.com>
>     >             <mailto:t.armstrong at nerdalize.com
>     <mailto:t.armstrong at nerdalize.com>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >                 Hi all,
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly
>     head again,
>     >                 RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
>     >
>     >                 Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales
>     pitches via
>     >                 an e-mail address we only use for the contact
>     details in
>     >                 our RIPE DB entries.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4
>     blocks,
>     >                 people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering,
>     >                 etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for
>     >                 services none of us want to waste time reading
>     about. If
>     >                 we want such products, we all know how find
>     them, and
>     >                 yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 I am not one for publicly shaming other members
>     of the
>     >                 community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I
>     >                 have a choice. They need to learn that database
>     abuse
>     >                 leads to boycott.
>     >
>     >                 The database is an operations tool for
>     de-bugging and
>     >                 reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of
>     >                 "potential leads".
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there
>     >                 really nothing structural we can do about this?
>     >
>     >                 At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses
>     from the
>     >                 public DB, instead having public complaint
>     submitted via
>     >                 a webform on the NCC website, requiring the
>     uninitiated
>     >                 to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact,
>     not a
>     >                 sales opportunity.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 Thanks,
>     >
>     >                 Tim.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >                 --
>     >
>     >                 *Tim Armstrong**
>     >                 *Dark Lord of Network Operations
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>     >
>     >
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>     >
>     >             --
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>     >             *Tim Armstrong
>     >             *Dark Lord of Network Operations
>     > +31 6 175 444 72 <tel:%2B31%206%20175%20444%2072>
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