[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
 wrote:

> On 09/16/2016 05:57 AM, Prager-IT e.U. wrote:
>
> The plan I envision is quite simple, move from the current Flatrate
> charging scheme to a system that charges members an amount for the
> resources they are using. This will ensure that each and every RIPE NCC
> member will pay their fair share.
>
>
> 1. Charge per allocated IPv4 address with a linear system.
>
> price_per_ipv4 = required_budget / amount_of_addresses_in_use
> your_yearly_membership_fee = amount_of_ipv4_you_use * price_per_ipv4
>
>
> Did you happen to read my reply to the thread. This is going to equate to
> almost no resources left as a /22 will cost roughly 24 EUR per year.
>

I read everything said so far, to prevent this from happening we also need
to increase the setup fee as I already outlined.



>
> This will also apply to Provider Independent(PI) assignemnts, anycasting
> assignments and Legacy Internet Resources registered via a sponsoring Local
> Internet Registry(LIR).
>
>
> You're going to be hard pressed to charge Legacy resource holders, BUT,
> even if you did, my above figure of a /22 costing 24EUR would probably be
> cut down to 16 EUR or less
>

If the resources are sponsored via a sponsoring Local Internet
Registry(LIR) I don't see why we should not be able to charge the Legacy
resource holders.


>
>
> IPv6 PI assignments and IPv6 IXP assigments will remain unchanged at 50,--
> Euros per year.
>
>
> Moot point here since the number of IPV6 resources avail.
>

The goal is to provide a comprehensive plan for the membership to vote on.
The way I see this needs to be in addressed as well in order for that to
happen.


>
>
> If we ever reach a point where IPv4 becomes obsolete revert back to a
> Flatrate System as due to the nature of IPv6 a Flatrate system is a fair
> choice.
>
>
> 2. Increase the Setup Fee to an amount that reflects the current reality
> of the transfer market, 6.000,-- Euros.
>
>
> Read the 2015 Budget, they collected slightly over 5 Million EUR in setup
> fee's, which got dispersed back to its members as a credit on next years
> bill, increasing the setup fee will simply act to lower, even further, the
> yearly cost. In 2015 Each LIR would have received 'roughly' a 415 EUR
> credit on their bill... So we might as well just not charge for IPv4 upto a
> /19 , and if you're going to up the setup fee's then we might as well make
> that a free /18.
>

I am well aware of the numbers. Under my plan there most likely would never
be any sum significant enough to disperse.


>
>
>
>
> 3. Introduce an Inter-RIR Transfer Fee for resources that leave the RIPE
> Region so people don't flee with their resources into a cheaper Region,
> 3,-- Euros per IPv4 address.
>
>
> If you do this, then it's a two way street. Not to mention that in the
> growing global age, you can't tell me every IP being routed to the ripe
> region is under RIPEs control. By adding additional hurdles folks will
> simply ignore, and announce their space globally from the originating RIR
> more so than they currently do now.
>

The goal of the change is to prevent people from fleeing with their
resources allocated by the RIPE NCC from fleeing into cheaper regions after
the new charging scheme has been approved.

I am confused as to why you are going on about where resources are being
announced from.



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>
>
> 4. Buy Back IPv4 resources and return them to the free pool with any
> excess money from members that are willing to give back resources.
>
>
> With what money are these bought back and at what price? Only to re-assign
> at a financial loss and then have to buy it back again? Grand scheme of
> things, everybody here is ignoring the fact that, with basically 21,000,000
> EUR budget to disperse between all LIR's in RIPE you aren't going to change
> the world. Aside from a lot of keyboard warriors pounding away with random
> ideas that have no factual backings this thread accomplishes nothing.
>

After the membership has approved the new plan via a majority vote there
will be an excess in money available due to the higher setup fee. The price
will be determined by availability.

Again, I am well aware of the numbers it just seems that you are unable to
see the picture yet.


Kind Regards,
Stefan Prager

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