[members-discuss] Input from Membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Model

On 09/16/2016 05:57 AM, Prager-IT e.U. wrote:
> The plan I envision is quite simple, move from the current Flatrate 
> charging scheme to a system that charges members an amount for the 
> resources they are using. This will ensure that each and every RIPE 
> NCC member will pay their fair share.
>
>
> 1. Charge per allocated IPv4 address with a linear system.
>
> price_per_ipv4 = required_budget / amount_of_addresses_in_use
> your_yearly_membership_fee = amount_of_ipv4_you_use * price_per_ipv4
>

Did you happen to read my reply to the thread. This is going to equate 
to almost no resources left as a /22 will cost roughly 24 EUR per year.

> This will also apply to Provider Independent(PI) assignemnts, 
> anycasting assignments and Legacy Internet Resources registered via a 
> sponsoring Local Internet Registry(LIR).

You're going to be hard pressed to charge Legacy resource holders, BUT, 
even if you did, my above figure of a /22 costing 24EUR would probably 
be cut down to 16 EUR or less
>
> IPv6 PI assignments and IPv6 IXP assigments will remain unchanged at 
> 50,-- Euros per year.

Moot point here since the number of IPV6 resources avail.

>
> If we ever reach a point where IPv4 becomes obsolete revert back to a 
> Flatrate System as due to the nature of IPv6 a Flatrate system is a 
> fair choice.
>
>
> 2. Increase the Setup Fee to an amount that reflects the current 
> reality of the transfer market, 6.000,-- Euros.

Read the 2015 Budget, they collected slightly over 5 Million EUR in 
setup fee's, which got dispersed back to its members as a credit on next 
years bill, increasing the setup fee will simply act to lower, even 
further, the yearly cost. In 2015 Each LIR would have received 'roughly' 
a 415 EUR credit on their bill... So we might as well just not charge 
for IPv4 upto a /19 , and if you're going to up the setup fee's then we 
might as well make that a free /18.

>
>
> 3. Introduce an Inter-RIR Transfer Fee for resources that leave the 
> RIPE Region so people don't flee with their resources into a cheaper 
> Region, 3,-- Euros per IPv4 address.

If you do this, then it's a two way street. Not to mention that in the 
growing global age, you can't tell me every IP being routed to the ripe 
region is under RIPEs control. By adding additional hurdles folks will 
simply ignore, and announce their space globally from the originating 
RIR more so than they currently do now.

>
>
> 4. Buy Back IPv4 resources and return them to the free pool with any 
> excess money from members that are willing to give back resources.

With what money are these bought back and at what price? Only to 
re-assign at a financial loss and then have to buy it back again? Grand 
scheme of things, everybody here is ignoring the fact that, with 
basically 21,000,000 EUR budget to disperse between all LIR's in RIPE 
you aren't going to change the world. Aside from a lot of keyboard 
warriors pounding away with random ideas that have no factual backings 
this thread accomplishes nothing.


>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Stefan Prager
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