[members-discuss] Executive Board Resolution on Legacy Internet Resource Holders
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Radu-Adrian Feurdean
ripe-ncc at radu-adrian.feurdean.net
Sun Oct 2 00:58:48 CEST 2016
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016, at 23:30, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote: > Hi Radu, > > > Could someone remind us why in the first place: > > - a legacy block can be broken into smaller pieces (which can then be > > transferred) > > Why shouldn't it ? The database allows assigning space to a third party > .. but it also allows Allocating space to a third party. > Allocating being the more permanent version ... in RIPE PA terms, a > transfer. Of memory you can't do that with an "ASSIGNED PI". > > - after the transfer, the parts of the old legacy block still remain > > tagged as legacy > > True The question was more like "but why?" > This is a legal issue. As RIPE doesn't own Legacy space, it can't enforce > this by policy .. as Legacy doesn't fall under policy. Legacy is an ASSET > of the legal holder. > And with RIPE PA space, the user of the IP space only holds the right of > use, while they have a good standing with the RIPE NCC ( pay their fees > for the LIR membership ) Got the point, but I still have some issues with some of the pre-requis that makes it valid. Like the "ownership" of numbers. More exactly the reason that makes the numbers "owned". > In that regard, I truely don't understand why the RIPE NCC asks legacy > space holders if they want to convert their legacy space to RIPE PA space In order to make things uniform ? > That has to do with the historic rights that were given with the IP > space, before the RIPE NCC was established.. It isn't that legacy > holders are given full rights, they already had the rights before RIPE > NCC was established. > > > > > I can understand that a legacy space holder can keep the space > > "received" before the existence of the NCC, but not the fact that others > > can acquire that kind of space and pretend to the same treatment. > > Yes, they can. And the RIPE NCC is right not to try to step into that > pitfall as they are not a party between the legal holder and the new > legal holder. Please see my previous post about the land registry. At some point, the registry has a role to play in all this. > Just because the RIPE NCC is in the same business of leasing out IP space > to others, doesn't mean that they can meddle with other parties in the > same region that have a similar status as the RIPE NCC ( legacy holders > being able to Allocate space to other parties) .. even if they are not > called a RIR ... Then they kindly fix that with whoever "gave" them the IP address space (IANA ???) and operate their own registry(es). > We don't have to sponsor legacy space holders in order to become a LIR.. That would only be the first step :) -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN
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