[members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

Personally I fail to even see the point of the requirement of an additional LIR account. It just adds extra overhead and cost. If we are allowed to setup new accounts to get additional /22’s then why not just change the charging structure and charge us additional fees for the /22’s so we can manage in one simple portal against a single LIR.

Everyone in need will find a way and these elaborate policies and rules around it aren’t working. This was proved by the turnaround of the additional LIR account policy. Measures put in by RIPE will be circumvented by those who want to or are in need. Remember IP’s are the life blood of our business. No one is going to let a policy get in the way of doing business.

Maybe the idea of a documented IPv6 deployment gains the ability to apply for additional IP’s from the remaining block.

As a smaller new LIR it really annoys me that small ISPs were issued /16’s in the past that they still haven’t filled to this day or have used very uneconomically. I know of a small business park that was assigned a /24 many years ago that use a /28 out of it. I do really think RIPE should be spending all these extra fees on undoing the mistakes of the past.

In reality IPv6 is still a way off 100% penetration and that is the only point IPv4 is of no use any longer.

IMHO the current position is hurting the industry and creating un necessary complexity. The final /8 rule was put in to help new LIRs. As a new small LIR its hindering our growth plans period.




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From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Stefan van Westering <stefan at softtech.nl>
Date: Thursday, 21 July 2016 at 17:59
To: David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>
Cc: "members-discuss at ripe.net" <members-discuss at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

At this moment additional LIR accounts with a /22 will not be able to transfer the /22 within 24 months if i am correct and thus not be able to sell them to another LIR.

Only if that is the case then i agree with lowering the setup fee by 50%.

I agree with David that there should be more control over the IP hoarding issue, but i do not think lowering the setup fee will advantage the hoarding, at least not within 24 months.

That combined with IPv6 becoming closer and closer, the question would be: will there be still active use of IPv4 by then? :)

Just my thoughts.

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Op 21 jul. 2016 om 18:39 heeft David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr<mailto:david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>> het volgende geschreven:

Le 21 juil. 2016 à 18:31, David Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk<mailto:dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>> a écrit :

I also agree something needs to be done.  Has stated previously, I can see why Ripe are trying to enforce a /22 with an new LR accounts, However this does not resolve the issue that ripe made this rule in the first place to ensure everyone has a equal share.
I really think ripe needs to address the issue and remove the IP Transfer Service and offer it as a case by case bases only for merging LR accounts.
Why not have a policy if a LR is no longer meeting the requirements that the IP address space was given then they must be returned.
For example, if larger space then say a /22 goes unused for more then 12 months then its assumed its no longer required and then has to be returned back RIPE so can be allocated to other LRs who do need the additional space.

Define « unused » . That’s tricky.
No one wants to give back address space, so if a LIR doesn’t want it to give it back, it will be quite difficult to have any idea about the real use of the space.

What really annoys me and I have said this before, we get quoted $8 per IP Address via the transfer service now on a /22 that would be £6202.71

Numbers, cool.
8$ it’s a one-time fee, isn’t it ?
So it means you should increase your prices of 0.6$/month/IP, to get your money back in 12 months.
It’s quite acceptable IMHO.

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