[members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

At this moment additional LIR accounts with a /22 will not be able to transfer the /22 within 24 months if i am correct and thus not be able to sell them to another LIR.

Only if that is the case then i agree with lowering the setup fee by 50%.

I agree with David that there should be more control over the IP hoarding issue, but i do not think lowering the setup fee will advantage the hoarding, at least not within 24 months.

That combined with IPv6 becoming closer and closer, the question would be: will there be still active use of IPv4 by then? :)

Just my thoughts.

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Op 21 jul. 2016 om 18:39 heeft David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr<mailto:david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>> het volgende geschreven:


Le 21 juil. 2016 à 18:31, David Benwell <dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk<mailto:dave at it-communicationsltd.co.uk>> a écrit :

I also agree something needs to be done.  Has stated previously, I can see why Ripe are trying to enforce a /22 with an new LR accounts, However this does not resolve the issue that ripe made this rule in the first place to ensure everyone has a equal share.
I really think ripe needs to address the issue and remove the IP Transfer Service and offer it as a case by case bases only for merging LR accounts.
Why not have a policy if a LR is no longer meeting the requirements that the IP address space was given then they must be returned.
For example, if larger space then say a /22 goes unused for more then 12 months then its assumed its no longer required and then has to be returned back RIPE so can be allocated to other LRs who do need the additional space.

Define « unused » . That’s tricky.
No one wants to give back address space, so if a LIR doesn’t want it to give it back, it will be quite difficult to have any idea about the real use of the space.

What really annoys me and I have said this before, we get quoted $8 per IP Address via the transfer service now on a /22 that would be £6202.71

Numbers, cool.
8$ it’s a one-time fee, isn’t it ?
So it means you should increase your prices of 0.6$/month/IP, to get your money back in 12 months.
It’s quite acceptable IMHO.

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