[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

Why can’t we restrict the new LIR /22 allocation to one per single “legal” entity or someone who does not already have any IP space allocation from RIPE ? would this not make that problem go away for the most part? obviously people are going to always find a way around things like this but at least its a start

Anthony Somerset,
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> On 17 Feb,2016, at 15:38, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr> wrote:
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> That’s really bad.
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> Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ?
> And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address.
> That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.
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>> Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe at truemetal.org <mailto:universe at truemetal.org>> a écrit :
>> 
>> Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
>>>>     1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
>>>>     problem
>>>>     that must be prevented?
>>> 
>>> The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
>> 
>> # wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt <http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt>
>> # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
>> 
>>  36 uk.ngs
>> ...
>>  10 ae.hax
>> 
>> Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt <http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt> in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
>> 
>> HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-)
>> https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html <https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html>
>> 
>> NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
>> 
>> 221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
>> 
>> Really, RIPE?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Markus
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