[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss

Hi guys,

I agree with Thomas here. Let's say these proposed changes went ahead meaning each entity could have only one LIR account each. There is nothing to stop such people from registering multiple trading entities and opening an LIR account under each trading entity. Here in the UK it costs just £13 to register a new limited company which could be used to independently open up a LIR account.

Whichever way you look at it, we have a real world shortage of IPv4 and the system to control its assignment is broken. By the time we 'fix' the system it will already be too late?

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On 17/02/2016 13:38:40, David Ponzone <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr> wrote:
That’s really bad.

Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ?
And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address.
That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.


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Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe at truemetal.org [mailto:universe at truemetal.org]> a écrit :

Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:

    1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
    problem
    that must be prevented?


The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.


+1

I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:

# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt [http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt]
# cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn

 36 uk.ngs
...
 10 ae.hax

Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt [http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt] in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.

HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-)
https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html [https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html]

NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.

221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!

Really, RIPE?

Cheers
Markus

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